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Author:  OCAdam [ Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:22 pm ]
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I've had the plan of creating a few 'new' weapons for BW, and if you have been following my threads on BWC (specifically the Mac-10 one), you'd know I have something planned for the future. Quite simply, it's supposed to be an all-SMGs pack.

I'll list what I've got in mind:

Mac-10
IMI Uzi
Calico 960

So far it's only gotten the Mac-10 model mostly completed. As the idea is to only slightly modify the guns, I'm not sure if I'll have attachments added to the guns (Mac-10 won't have any, that's for sure already (suppressor added because zero suggested it and I actually liked this idea a lot, and it was 5 minutes of extra modelling :P)). My only ideas are to possibly attach a small scope for the 960, and attach a laser aiming module for the Uzi.

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Status Update (12/18/08):
The Mac-10 is currently undergoing UV mapping (or at least getting the texture of the UV map to properly work for testing reasons....).

I also have decided to take some suggests of forum members into acount of what to create. Remember, it's gotta be an SMG, but don't get upset that I reject your idea. Since I've noticed a lot of people want a newer, improved XK2 model (or just a replacement entirely), I'm thinking a good possibility might be to create the FAMAE SAF, or at least a slightly modified variant I sketch out.

Alongside that, I have this list of weapons I'm considering. This list will soon be narrowed down to be simply the guns I will model for this pack.

Mac-10
IMI Uzi
ARB-27 (concept art weap I designed)
P90
MP5 (improve XK2)
Walther MP
FAMAE SAF (XK2 replacement)


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Weapons removed from list (sorry guys, I can't model everything!):

Sterling SMG
Thompson SMG
M3 GG
M16 9mm
Author:  Kaboodles [ Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:39 pm ]
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Oi, why an Uzi? The Fifty-9 is pretty much an Uzi already.

Might I suggest a P90, or an improved XK2 model?
Author:  OCAdam [ Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:45 pm ]
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Uzis are a bit of the classic weapon... but I thought the Fifty-9 to be more of a cross of the Mac-10, and the Scorpion VZ's folding stock bit, plus a few other random extras placed on for style... which use a bit of Uzi styling in there as well. Fifty-9's odd, it's like a massive cross of SMGs and MPs and then throwing a blade on top of that.

As for P90... I might be able to add that to the list of weapons I could design. You ever looked at the Calico 960, BTW? To me it's kinda on the same principle as the P90 on the idea of top-mounted clips.

I'll edit my first post to include the P90 into the list of possible weapons.
Author:  SX [ Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:46 pm ]
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I would love to see a Sterling, or a Tommy Gun, or a M3.
Author:  OCAdam [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:31 am ]
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I was actually looking at the M3 earlier... don't you think it looks a bit too similar to the XRS10 though? It's basically a longer version (and older :P). Hmm, could make that gun like a sort of modified XRS10 that was designed for higher range use or something, but that'd be all that would be different really.
Author:  SX [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:50 am ]
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I guess, it does look like the XRS10, but with a stock.
Author:  Strelet12 [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:55 pm ]
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Black and High-quality-ish XK2 maybe?
Author:  Kaboodles [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:31 pm ]
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Hell, an XK2 with an actual stock would be good enough. That weird stubby thing is annoying. And a reflex sight.

Also, maybe a high-cap, extended version of the XRS-10. Give it a longer barrel, vertical foregrip, and big drum magazine.

Wait, I just basically described the Tommy gun.

EDIT: If the Fifty-9 is just a combination Uzi/MAC-10/Skorpion, why make either of the three?
Author:  OCAdam [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:25 pm ]
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Reason why I made a Mac-10 is because I kinda like that one a lot. That and the Fifty-9 doesn't suit me with the design very well.... I don't like all the stylistic features.

I could potentially try my hand at the XK2 remodel, although it'd be not nearly that hard to do if I can get the original model somehow and just get the stock pulled out... The reflex sight would require some more modelling to it though, but it would be good for me to try my hand at making a better reflex sight than I made 4 months ago.
Author:  zer0 [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:01 pm ]
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I think I know how to get models from the game, if you want I could get the XK2 out... I think it will be in .obj format or something like that though... i'll see what I can do

Edit: and if you need any ideas, this guy on DA makes up some pretty cool designs: http://bonez18b.deviantart.com/gallery/
Author:  gamer13 [ Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:21 pm ]
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A good weapon imo would be an AK47. i wish i knew how to mod and make weapons, otherwise i would gladly do it myself :\
Author:  Chavez [ Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:17 am ]
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gamer13 wrote:
A good weapon imo would be an AK47. i wish i knew how to mod and make weapons, otherwise i would gladly do it myself :\


An AK47 wouldn't make a good SMG. An AK74 however, would be awesome, it's my favorite. Also an improved MP5, and a real Uzi. And the 9mm variant of M16. And the Walther MP. And the FAMAE SAF (nice one really), and some more.
Author:  OCAdam [ Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:30 am ]
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ZER0 wrote:
I think I know how to get models from the game, if you want I could get the XK2 out... I think it will be in .obj format or something like that though... i'll see what I can do

Edit: and if you need any ideas, this guy on DA makes up some pretty cool designs: http://bonez18b.deviantart.com/gallery/


Dayum, I love the designs this guy's made. Just looking at the M7 (redesigned version) makes me want to model that one!

gamer13 wrote:
A good weapon imo would be an AK47. i wish i knew how to mod and make weapons, otherwise i would gladly do it myself :\


IIRC, another member has a much better AK model than I made a few months back. However, I can try to ask him if he'd want to put that gun into a single weapon pack.

Chavez wrote:
Also an improved MP5, and a real Uzi. And the 9mm variant of M16. And the Walther MP. And the FAMAE SAF (nice one really), and some more.


Ah, so someone else wants an Uzi too! I'm guessing the 9mm version of the M16 you'd want would be attachment-less? I'll also look into the other weapons.

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Just to note: I can't just create every gun you guys want, but I do want to seriously plan to get the Mac-10 done by Christmas at the very least.
Author:  Strelet12 [ Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:55 am ]
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So are you doing any of these weapons the members requested?
Author:  OCAdam [ Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:44 pm ]
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Actually, yes! However, I can't make ALL of them, that'd take too long. My primary goal ATM is to finish the Mac-10 by Christmas (that's going to be a helluva hard one to do.... animating is hard).

Also, I'm editing my first post to reflect the fact I will think of creating a few of the models that members here suggest. Remember, I can't make all the models you guys want. Also, I like to make concept art of the weapons I make, in case I feel like making a design BASED on the weapons suggested (I'm actually now going to make my own gun based on the Calico weapon series, called the ARB-27).
Author:  Chavez [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:55 am ]
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I don't want to be pushing you, but the FAS looks really interesting. My vote goes out to that, and the second place will be an Uzi.

Also, the P90 is a must. Don't make it a CoD4 copy though. You could try and make something similar to the SBP90 from Time Splitters 2.
Author:  OCAdam [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:17 am ]
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Too bad the pics of the SBP90 are a bit too hard to make out very well from Google Images... I can still create the '90 through some concept art redesigns. The ARB-27 model is coming along pretty well, I just need to get a few more details here and there sorted out and it should be pretty much done.
Author:  Chavez [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:05 am ]
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Let me explain a little then. The SBP90 is a P90 with, instead of an optical sight, rigged with a small monitor and a camera on the other end. It zooms about 1.5 times but as extra advantage you can look through thin to medium surfaces with it. To make it more interesting, you could make the camera look around edges as well.
Author:  OCAdam [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:22 pm ]
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I see... I'll still do concept art of my own version of the P90.

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I've got some progress coming along! This is the model I've made of the concept art I did a few days back. The weapon is based on various Calico weapon designs, along with a slight bit of Mac-10 styling thrown in. I think it'd look pretty damn at-home with the rest of the Ballistic Weapons!

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Edit: Oop, some of the text in pic '5' isn't that readable... here's what's all said:

Hylical 100-round clip
Rear Stock Extension Trigger
Rear Ironsight
Front Ironsight
Flash Hider and Tip
Laser Device
Shell Ejection Port
Fire Selector
Author:  SX [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:05 pm ]
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Is it the Calico?

I was going to also say MP5k, but eh, a MP5 is a MP5, even though it looks awesome...
Author:  OCAdam [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:26 pm ]
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That will be called the ARB-27 in-game. I'll do a small profile description of the gun in this here post:

Weapon Name: ARB-27
Manufacturer Name: Fenrir Weapons and Electronics Inc.
Weapon Class: Sub-Carbine Assault Rifle

Background: Fenrir's penacle achieve, the ARB-27 is a mixture of old and new. While it uses advanced ammunition magazines and special ejection porting, the ARB-27 also uses sheet metal contruction to keep the weapon's costs down, at a reduction in the weapon's reliability after adverse conditions take a toll on the weapon's body case.

This model has the optional laser device attached and utilizes the 100-round hylical magazine that made Fenrir one of only a few companies to have such unique magazine systems. Due to the shortened barrel length from the downward-ejection of shells, the ARB-27 suffers from decreased accuracy compared to other guns of the same overall length. However, this is made up for by the weapon's extremely high capacity in munitions, and the high firerate the weapon operates at.
Author:  SX [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:52 pm ]
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Pretty nice.
Author:  nofatties [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:58 pm ]
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Good stuff, keep it up!
Author:  OCAdam [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:41 pm ]
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Thanks guys! I ight be able to get this also done by Christmas.... it all depends on if I can get animations done.... auto-UV maps might make for an annoying time for the texture artist, but then it frees the modeller up to get the really hard animatizing done faster IMO.
Author:  gamer13 [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:50 am ]
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Wow those are nice weapon models.
Author:  Strelet12 [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:16 am ]
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OCAdam wrote:
I see... I'll still do concept art of my own version of the P90.

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I've got some progress coming along! This is the model I've made of the concept art I did a few days back. The weapon is based on various Calico weapon designs, along with a slight bit of Mac-10 styling thrown in. I think it'd look pretty damn at-home with the rest of the Ballistic Weapons!

Image
Image
Image
Image
Image

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Edit: Oop, some of the text in pic '5' isn't that readable... here's what's all said:

Hylical 100-round clip
Rear Stock Extension Trigger
Rear Ironsight
Front Ironsight
Flash Hider and Tip
Laser Device
Shell Ejection Port
Fire Selector

Looks like a compact edition of that Ranger rifle if you ask me. (Unless it has different colors instead of orange and silver)
Author:  OCAdam [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:29 am ]
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Actually I was thinking more along the lines of black and silver.
Author:  uglyogre [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:32 am ]
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i think th solid stock looks a bit silly really. i dont know why but wouldnt you want a gun to be as light and compact as possible.

apart from the stock it looks fantastic how does the firing mechanism work btw cos if it misfires how do you recock it or manually eject? nitpicking lol
Author:  OCAdam [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:50 pm ]
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If the weapon misfires, the shell still gets ejected like normal, but the bullet will still be in the shell. The ejection port is large enough to allow this.

As for the stock, the squarish block is what houses the mechanisms for the stock extension device. You press the button in front of it and the stock shoves out, as shown in pic '4' in that series. I might need a diff angle to show the extended stock form better...
Author:  Chavez [ Sat Dec 20, 2008 4:21 pm ]
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I was thinking... wouldn't special gun attachments be cool? Like, a launcher with a small rocket instead of grenade. A front mounted tazer. A launcher firing a sticky shocker. Etc. All small attachments that would make CQB a lot more comfortable.
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