I have no screenshots right now since I am currently porting the code files from the original BWv21realistic files to the R2 package. It should have something in a few days that would be visible for you to see. However, since I got a lot of calibers I'm adding in that weren't there with the previous version, it might take some time with that part of the code. All the guns would look the same, but I could show the flashlight and such on the S-AR12 and M806A2 at the very least.

You said something about realistic ironsighting. Doesnt that cause animation and clipping problems?

Man, I'm already doing a lot of these with my guns.

The clipping problem can be fixed for many weapons by disabling the fire animation for them when iron sights are engaged. This helps your aim tremendously when firing the automatic weapons.

This does have some drawbacks, in that those moving cartridge-ejector flaps wouldn't move when firing, though you wouldn't really notice that unless you were looking for it. Also, guns that need to be cocked between shots won't automatically cock when using the iron sights, as the fire animation has a notify at the end for auto-cocking.

I don't see how ammo pools could be considered realistic, since all the bullets come in different magazines that aren't interchangeable. The only guns I could see realistically pooling are those that don't have magazines, like the shotguns.

The multi-caliber weapon idea seems like it's going to add a lot of unnecessary complexity without really adding much to the gameplay. You could pretty much just choose a different weapon if you want more power or a larger mag. Plus, don't you need to switch out a bunch of the weapons' parts to fire significantly different rounds for it?

EDIT: R2?

Just because a magazine is different doesn't make the bullet any different. The bullets are interchangeable. While it'd be a frustration to actually change bullets between the clips, it's still possible.

Actually I'm trying to make calibers more important since they will all have different firing patterns for each gun they are used in. Yeah, you'd have to change out weapon parts to change calibers, but that's why there are different weapons for each gun. Actually as it stands, only the pistols have an overabundance of numbers. It breaks down like this with all the calibers I have implemented:

Pistol Count: 16
SMG Count: 9
Shotgun Count: 4
AR Count: 12
MG Count: 9
Sniper Count: 14
Rocket Count: 12

Due to the pistol count, I'll be including instructions in a read-me to actually say to only place 12 pistols in at a time so you don't even have a chance of overloading the weapon system. Alongside that, it helps that I'm disabling dual-wielding. With the lower ammo capacities you have, it'd be useless to dual-wield anyways.

Decreased Recoil - Recoil no longer will be a hindrance after only 2 shots, but still factors in a lot. Also, recoil patterns have been changed with each gun to have slightly more controllable recoil for those with good skills.

Who is going to sit there and unload and reload each magazine to switch out his bullets for different guns in a deathmatch situation? You just work with what you have.

To be more realistic, it would also probably make more sense to discard unused ammo in a magazine instead of returning it to the ammo pool when reloading, for the reason listed above.

Ah, separate weapons, like with your slug shotguns.

This still seems like too much work for little effect. Aside from your slug shotguns, I don't see how each variant could be significantly different from the others. If every gun is going to be able to kill people very quickly, would the firing patterns really make that much of a difference? How would a player identify which variant of gun his enemy is holding?

Really? Recoil per shot really didn't seem all that high to me in BW. It was only really a hindrance if you were going full-auto and were firing from the hip. I actually increased recoil per shot by quite a bit in my guns. With the higher damage, this seems like it would make it very difficult to stay alive.

True, but it's still possible to be done. I am taking a few liberties of pure realism. That would be more annoying than fun. It's not like you can change guns like you do in BW like real life. But since that's something that would affect gameplay too much to do super long weapon switches...

Each type of caliber does affect the clip capacity of the weapon. While the guns kill pretty fast, it works where it'll still take 5 to 6 torso shots to kill with a 5.56x45 NATO round, while a .458 SOCOM takes about 3 or 4 shots, and the .50 Beowulf round takes 2. Most of the calibers are centered around the number of shots required to kill an opponent with only torso shots.

Exactly. The whole point of this mod is to make it harder to survive for long periods of time, and force the player to take better tactics than the run and gun of normal BW. If you know you'll die very fast, you'll either play the mod like normal UT where you try to kill as many as possible before falling, or try to survive and take your kills slower, but live longer and get better weapons as you progress.

Sacrificing some realism for the sake of gameplay is always good. It's a game after all. I'm just curious why you would choose to add changes that make the game less realistic than it currently is while putting realism as your top goal. It doesn't really matter, it's your thing.

I still really don't see a point in this. If you want to fire more bullets, use an SRS900 or an R9. They might not have the grenade launcher or silly camera, but these weapons have tradeoffs for a reason. Plus, you'd have to make up new sounds for them...

Also, those 5.56x45mm damage figures are quite a bit lower than the current M50. It does about 20-30 damage torso, so 4 shots to kill on average.

Unless you're playing against novice bots, you're already forced to use more than just run-and-gun techniques in BW (unless you're just dualing Fifty-9s or spamming FP9s or Pineapples) due to the movement chaos and recoil. I don't see how this changes much except making mistakes a lot more costly, and increasing the luck factor.

Mainly the BWv21realistic thing is more nomenclature than a total goal. My main point is actually trying to make it difficult to survive for ridiculously long times.

Setting aside the differences in weight, barrel length, and clip size, you'll see that this system has already been set up.

The actual lengths of the bullets vary, but your system doesn't seem to be factoring that in.

If some weapons will be better off using a specific round, why would you ever bother using the other ones? Why bother making a weapon that is inherently inferior to another one, in the context of a game?

It might be best not to do all the weapons at once. Test the ones you have first to see if it works the way you want it, so you don't have to do 76 weapons' worth of fixes if you find something wrong.

this is gonna be pretty cool. as for the HAMR, is it a nuke?

As is stands right now with damages, the 9mm is the weakest bullet, but the .38 Special is only slightly weaker than the 5.56, while the .42HV and up are better than the 7.62x51mm NATO rounds. I'll be trying to deal with vehicle damages later on, but I already am thinking that only AP and large caliber bullets would do much to vehicles, and not just like 1 damage (like the bullet ricochets instead of penetrating, but since I can't code worth a flip to actually make ricochets.... it'll just do 1 dmg unless being a better bullet meant for it).

Oh, to note: I've got 29 weapons working in-game now, but I still have to work on their recoil and chaos values to be what I want for R2. I took out 3 zombies from BMRv2 with 8 shots of the RS8 .45HV! When I start working on the final weapons, you guys might like the surprise I have for the HAMR...