Some vids doesn't seem to be here
Also I saw bulletstorm assault rifle
Nice stuff though
I think you might need some coding help if sergeant kelly can help here, some weapons have missplaced muzzleflash
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Genetic Games presents... |
Hello everyone, we would like to present you our work. It is a BW bonus pack a containing various choice of the weapons (the final number unknown), meanwhile it is at a prerelease stage. Here the list of weapons ready or close to readiness: 1 - S48M2 'Tempest' SMG-GL Credit: Gen51 (Model, anims, textures, sounds), SPAM (Config). - Roughly Finished Video 2 - M1014 Shotgun Credit: SPAM (Model, textures, sounds, config), Gen51 (Model, anims). - PreRelease stage Video 3 - ACR GL\ACR ACOG Credit: SPAM (Anims), IW (Model, textures, sounds) - Beta stage Video 4 - Steyr AUG A1 Credit: SPAM (Anims), Treyarch (Model, textures, sounds), Gen51 (Textures) - PreRelease stage Video 5 - Steyr AUG A3 Credit: SPAM (Anims, model), Phillbuster (Model), WangChung (Textures) - PreRelease stage Video 6 - Punisher-6 Assault System Credit: SPAM (Anims), Epic Games (Model, textures) - Alpha stage Video 7 - G3 Assault Rifle\Sniper Rifle Credit: SPAM - Alpha stage No video yet 8 - AN-94 "Abakan" GP30 and w\o GP30 Credit: SPAM - Alpha stage No video yet 9 - AK-107 with PSO1, Cobra, GP30 in various combinations Credit: SPAM - Nearly Alpha stage 10 - AKM (with various attachments such as PBS1, PSO1, NSPU, GP25\GP30) Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 11 - SVD Sniper rifle Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 12 - SVU AS Universal Sniper Rifle Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 13 - OC-14 "Groza" Portable assault complex (GP30, PSO1, PBS1) Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 14 - PKP "Pecheneg" Machinegun Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 15 - XM8 Assault Rifle (long barrel version) Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 16 - HK G11 Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 17 - HK416\417 Assault Rifle Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 18 - HK G36A Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 19 - TAR-21 Assault Rifle Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 20 - Famas Assault Rifle (FELIN verrsion) Credit: SPAM - W.I.P. 21 - Claymore Credit: Gen51 - W.I.P. Skins? SKINS? SKIIIIINS??? Somebody wanna skins? HELL YEAH!!! EVERYBODY WANNA SKINS! ***We officially declare that also we would like to present you ours player models pack specially made for BW*** Video presentation |
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| Author: | lepmuR [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Nice ! But where is it ? O_o |
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| Author: | Blade sword [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Some vids doesn't seem to be here Also I saw bulletstorm assault rifle Nice stuff though I think you might need some coding help if sergeant kelly can help here, some weapons have missplaced muzzleflash
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| Author: | Baryonyx [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
They have some flaws right now but hey, that's why it's called "pre-release".  I like those weapons and look forward to their release. Do you know an approximate time when we can expect a beta release (or even a final version)? And btw, which map was that on the video with the Steyr? |
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
@Barionyx It's DM-WraithX by Xiphon. Quote: I like those weapons and look forward to their release. Do you know an approximate time when we can expect a beta release (or even a final version)? When it's done. 
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Cool  G3 FTW!!! (Though I think the G3 is a technically a Battle Rifle, not an Assault Rifle  )
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
In the German classification it has a prefix stg which is deciphered as sturm gewehr which translates as an assault rifle. Besides I from Russia and our military nomenclature reject NATO classification. Therefore you can't overpersuade me.
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
"Touché" 
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| Author: | SX [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:02 am ] |
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Ooh... interesting. Looking forward to use the AUG A1. 
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Excellent! It's always great to see another weapon pack. If you need any coding help, just ask. However, using Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops sounds and models is illegal. The Counter Strike: Source custom AUG A3 will need permission from its original authors, and that goes for the sounds too, which sounds similar to Vunsunta's. I'm not sure what Bulletstorm's policy on ports is, so I recommend looking that up as well. |
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
This stuff was taken from ArmA2, instead of Bulletstorm rifle, i don't know who it's authors, because i thought that it was made by ArmA2 fans. But i have permission from author's who make it for ArmA2. However, at least these models was fixed, changed and increased by me, therefore works of real authors in them of 50%.
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Heh, these were certainly not made by ArmA2 fans. Here's a run down of the models. The AUG A3 was originally made by philibuster and textured by WangChung for CS:S usage. You'll need to get their permission and include proper credits for their work. It uses Call of Duty: Black Ops iron sights, which is illegal. The AUG A1 is the Call of Duty: Black Ops AUG which is 100% illegal. The Punisher 6 Assault System is from Bulletstorm. Which is likely illegal unless Epic has decided to allow ports. ACR GL/ACOG is the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 ACR, which is also 100% illegal. The M1014 is made by you so it's legal! Woo! The CoD:MW2 sounds are illegal. The S48M2 also seems to be made by you so it's also legal! Yay! Once again, CoD sounds are illegal. |
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Also what further? However whom it interests? I don't want steal somebody merits and I with pleasure ready to mention any author in my readme if you tell me all of them. P.S. А мне похуй! (Sorry, i don't know how to translate it to english) 
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it legal to use assets from a commercial game to make a non commercial mod, as long as the maker of the mod has payed for a legal copy of the game in question and credits the reused contents source?  I think that's what GSC stated when mods were being banned from sites for using S.T.A.L.K.E.R. assets. Regardless, I don't agree with porting the Punisher 6 without permission from Epic. It's not a real weapon, they DID design it. |
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| Author: | Blade sword [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
DarkSoul-Sama wrote: Regardless, I don't agree with porting the Punisher 6 without permission from Epic. It's not a real weapon, they DID design it. The fact it's a real gun or not doesn't change the policy in any way. |
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| Author: | Par0l [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <3 love this so much |
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
I was just stating my opinion. In my eyes, the AUG from Black Ops (for example) is just a 3D model of a weapon designed by Steyr, which some might consider a work of art, while the Punisher 6,as a 3D model, is itself a work of art, so I'd be more hesitant in using it. Again, just my opinion, take it for what it's worth 
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| Author: | arbee [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
SPAM wrote: This stuff was taken from ArmA2 Don't trust conversions uploaded as addons. They displace the origin often, for example, like "Garry's Mod Ragdoll Pack for UT2004" citing everything's original from Garry's Mod, when they're obviously converts from Smash Brothers and other games. It's the "Chinese whispers" of modding. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Let's clear up some things here. Despite the rather skinny clause in the forum rules we do have a strong policy against piracy and copyright infringement in all shapes and forms. Strictly legally speaking: this website or the file host/server he chooses to host his weapon pack may very well not be hosted in the United States in which case it does not fall under Fair Use enforced over there but whichever comparable clause applies to the jurisdiction in question. I recommend that you, SPAM, request permission from those who own the rights to the content you borrowed. Sgt. Kelly gave you a detailed list that you can go by. Just send the publishers of Bulletstorm (Epic) and Call of Duties (Activision?) as well as the authors of that specific model and texture emails requesting permission to use some of their models and sounds for a non-commercial project. Without full permissions we will not allow you to put up public download links to your pack on this website until you either remove the content you could not get permission for or replace it by other, similar content whose authors you did get permission from. This is just the best thing to do, both to avoid possible trouble and to respect the fact that people who created something may not want to be plagiarised, all legalese aside. It's just a matter of being "nice" and respect other people's hard work. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
DarkSoul-Sama wrote: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it legal to use assets from a commercial game to make a non commercial mod, as long as the maker of the mod has payed for a legal copy of the game in question and credits the reused contents source? I think that's what GSC stated when mods were being banned from sites for using S.T.A.L.K.E.R. assets. Regardless, I don't agree with porting the Punisher 6 without permission from Epic. It's not a real weapon, they DID design it. GSC is a rare exception in that they actually allow people to use their assets. That's why Jack_Carver & Fische11's pack went through. Regardless of what you guys think of asset copying - porting and releasing content from Call of Duty is both copyright infringement and piracy. (Which is illegal.) If the indicated content in this mod is not authorized or removed, it will be barred and blacklisted from the site. As stated per the rules: -Any posts that encourage illegal intent will be removed and the account disabled. -Public posts debating these rules and/or moderators' enforcement of such, will be removed without comment. We encourage feedback however and invite you to contact us if you have any questions or concerns. |
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
I'm sorry, I was just in doubt if the GSC policy was universal about game developers, I didn't mean to drag the issue
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:23 pm ] |
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Policy is never universal. It is always the rights holder who makes the decision to take legal actions on infringement. GSC basically let people use their assets for non-commercial use and will not throw C&Ds or take people to court. That does however not mean other companies, like EA or Square Enix, are as lenient. Square Enix are notorious for closing all kinds of projects that so much as gently touch their IPs with a ten foot pole. |
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| Author: | lepmuR [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
arbee wrote: It's the "Chinese whispers" of modding. bjossi wrote: I recommend that you, SPAM, request permission from those who own the rights to the content you borrowed. Sgt. Kelly gave you a detailed list that you can go by. Im recommend that you, SPAM, present your work on other platforms then Runestorms forums. Seems like no one appreciate your afford and creativity here. Only typically american patent and copyright trolling here. Edit: But provide me a link by then ! i wanna get on the track with this weapons 
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
I think in couple of days I will notify you of readiness for the first release, now I complete the an94. |
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| Author: | lepmuR [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
SPAM wrote: I think in couple of days I will notify you of readiness for the first release, now I complete the an94.
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| Author: | Baryonyx [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
I didn't know those models were from other games, I did not play CoD or Bulletstorm before. Blade sword wrote: DarkSoul-Sama wrote: Regardless, I don't agree with porting the Punisher 6 without permission from Epic. It's not a real weapon, they DID design it. The fact it's a real gun or not doesn't change the policy in any way. What he means is that those weapons like the Steyr are real guns and therefore the gun itself is not copyrighted (except the gun companies forbid to inculde them in games). But I do agree that the model can be copyrighted. Still, who could give proof that someone not just got the model of the gun, put it into his modelling program and then remodeled it? Or in other words: What's the difference between a CoD Steyr and a [insert other fps game here] Steyr? (That is not meant as a rhetorical question) That is different with the Punisher because the gun was completely made by EPIC and not made by a real-life company, so it would be obvious that the idea for the gun is stolen aswell. I heard that EPIC allows Unreal-to-Unreal ports but I am not sure about Unreal engine-to-Unreal engine ports... |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
The legality of this is not up for debate. It's blatantly obvious that those models and textures were made by Treyarch and Infinity Ward. Arguing about the gun the model was based off of serves no point. This thread is very close to getting locked. SPAM, unless you remove the files I indicated above, you will be banned from the forums if you release the mod. lepmuR wrote: arbee wrote: It's the "Chinese whispers" of modding. bjossi wrote: I recommend that you, SPAM, request permission from those who own the rights to the content you borrowed. Sgt. Kelly gave you a detailed list that you can go by. Im recommend that you, SPAM, present your work on other platforms then Runestorms forums. Seems like no one appreciate your afford and creativity here. Only typically american patent and copyright trolling here. Edit: But provide me a link by then ! i wanna get on the track with this weapons LepmuR, you are now directly in violation of the following rule. -Any posts that encourage illegal intent will be removed and the account disabled. Any more posts on the matter will result in administrative action. |
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| Author: | DarkSoul-Sama [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
I'm sorry if I was misunderstood, but when I set the Punisher 6 apart, I wasn't debating legal issues, I just meant that "personally", "regardless" of what the law might state, I value the Punisher's design more then the COD weapons designs. Just that.  Now please let's stop arguing about this, and wait for SPAM to sort things out.  Back on topic though, might I suggest raising the ammo consumption of the Punisher 6 secondary to 40 bullets instead of 10? And to have a victim of said secondary turn into a skeleton upon death? (if you haven't thought of doing so already) 
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| Author: | SPAM [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
Sgt. Kelly, I still didn't upload any files, you are not right. I am only showing my work. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Genetic Games presents... |
By files I mean the copyrighted models and sounds of the pack. I know you haven't released it yet. In fact, I said "if you release it". As I said before, the mod would be perfectly fine for release if you took out the illegal content. I would even help you fix the bugs and put out a good word for you. |
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