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Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:43 am ]
Post subject:  R78U4 carbine (New update on design)
Heres a little something i whipped up using one of the stock models of the r78. I turned it into a smaller caliber, shorter, faster firing carbine.

This carbine version of the rifle is in 7.62x45R Not as accurate as the normal rifle and does not as near the damage. Looks FREAKIN SWEET![br][img width=800 height=575]../../files/public/1202492584_201_FT0_r78u4_.jpg[/img][br][br][img width=800 height=589]../../files/public/1202492584_201_FT0_r78u4_bolt_shot_.jpg[/img][br]
Author:  SHAD0Wdump [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:40 pm ]
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Wouldn't mind having one of those. 8)
Author:  SX [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:19 pm ]
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Pretty Nice SS!
Author:  Kaboodles [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:52 pm ]
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What modeling program are you using? I've been wanting to try doing something like that.
Author:  Treadhead [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:55 pm ]
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Very interesting. But how would the caliber be lowered? Smaller barrel? It essentially would be a completely different gun, as making it automatic is one thing. Smaller barrel? That requires a new barrel, modificatiions to the chassis, different parts.... I do, however, like the idea, I'd like having another rifle/carbine weapon.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:20 pm ]
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Just machine a smaller caliber barrel, the threads that attach the barrel to the reciever would remain the same which means nothing would have to be done to the reciever or "Chassis" as you call it. The bolt face would have to be changed so that it can accept the cartridge of the new caliber and the extractor that ejects the empty case would have to be modified, other than some other minor refinements nothing else would need to be changed.

I was using a new maya program kaboodles.
Author:  Treadhead [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:16 pm ]
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Hmm. Smaller changes than I thought. Still would require thos replacement parts, but it does sound fairly simple.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:21 pm ]
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Yeah basicaly stuff not noticed in game. The rifle in the pic has a 20 round mag, faster bolt manipulation, shorter barrel with a muzzle break on the end, a lightened stock, a wider arch to the bold handle with a bigger globe on the end to allow faster operation. I was thinking of a bayonet but i think i gotta think about that a little more.
Author:  James [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:30 pm ]
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is this going to be usable ingame? cool model by the way.
Author:  CEO_KAZUYA_MNT [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:15 am ]
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its a carbine right? there cant be a carbine bolt action rifle a carbine is basically a trimm down assault rife this gun has to be semi auto or full auto rifle to be used in general combat since your talking about adding a bayonet to it
Author:  Kien [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:16 am ]
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Hm nice mdoel but why the strong color? Make it gray or something. I hate maya. I hope it has only tetragons. :P

I don't like the idea. :P
Author:  OCAdam [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:50 am ]
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Kien wrote:
Hm nice mdoel but why the strong color? Make it gray or something. I hate maya. I hope it has only tetragons. :P

I don't like the idea. :P


The program's default texture is that blue.
Author:  Eat Uranium [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:15 pm ]
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CEO_KAZUYA_MNT wrote:
its a carbine right? there cant be a carbine bolt action rifle a carbine is basically a trimm down assault rife this gun has to be semi auto or full auto rifle to be used in general combat since your talking about adding a bayonet to it


Carbines have been around a lot longer than assault rifles. Infact the first carbines were just a short barreled musket for use by dragoons.

The screenshot looking down the gun - why is the bolt handle on the left? Also, this should have a bayonet so the R9 can have rifle grenades.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:37 pm ]
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I imported the model from another program, the model i used had the bolt handle on that side. Eat Uranium is correct, carbines have been around since the beginning. CEO_KAZUYA_MNT what do you think soldiers went into combat before the invention of semi automatic and fully automaitc fire arms? Just because its a carbine and a bolt action doesnt mean it cant be used in combat, the germans did it the russians did it, the japanese did it, america did it, britian did it, most countries that used bolt action rifles had some sort of carbine variant, many were used as late as the 90's in somewhat modern countries around the planet that had the ability to make full auto and semi auto firearms. Most of the old military bolt action firearms i own are carbines of some sort, mosin nagant m38, mosin nagant m44, yugoslavian 24/47 and m48A, austrian styer m95/34 i own a few semi auto carbines as well, both of my sks and my m1 carbine.

I dont know maybe i'll give a bayonet some though, just gotta figure one out for it. Grenades would be cool too! I dont know if this will ever get done but its a cool concept to play with.
Author:  Grobut [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:43 pm ]
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Eat Uranium wrote:
Carbines have been around a lot longer than assault rifles. Infact the first carbines were just a short barreled musket for use by dragoons.


Aye, "carbine" pretty much just means "shorter", its a term usually applied to shorter versions of a rifle, but is at times also applied to shorter versions of a shotgun or SMG (though most companies like to call them "Tactical", "Compact" or "Combat" instead, you see "Carbine" mostly with rifles).

Infact the term Carbine dosen't even have to mean that the weapon is small, some pretty long rifles have been Carbines, the Mauser Kar-98K is a Carbine version of the even longer WWI model, as is the Mosin Nagant M91/30 (no really, again the WWI model was even longer, by 6 inches), so the looks of the gun alone is no indication of wether or not it is a Carbine.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:07 pm ]
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Yeah pretty much, the 91/30 was a short rifle not exactly a carbine. But your on the right track. I never seen a submachine gun being called a carbine but i have seen them called tacticals and such. the k98 was a much shorter version of the Gew98 so you hit that one on the head, the k in k98 stand for "karbiner" which in german means carbine. The british had the lee enfield mk5, we still used old breech loaders for a while before turning to the krag jorgesson (killed that spelling) then we switched to the springfiel 1903 which is based of the german mausers.

WAY OFFTOPIC! Im thinking of a folding bayonet and a muzzle brake like the one on the yugoslavian 59/66 that will allow grenades to be fired.
Author:  James [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:34 pm ]
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an answer to my question?
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:04 pm ]
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To me it looks more like a showcase than a weapon suggestion for BW.
Author:  Grobut [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:10 pm ]
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Sargeant Smash wrote:
Yeah pretty much, the 91/30 was a short rifle not exactly a carbine. But your on the right track. I never seen a submachine gun being called a carbine but i have seen them called tacticals and such. the k98 was a much shorter version of the Gew98 so you hit that one on the head, the k in k98 stand for "karbiner" which in german means carbine. The british had the lee enfield mk5, we still used old breech loaders for a while before turning to the krag jorgesson (killed that spelling) then we switched to the springfiel 1903 which is based of the german mausers.


No, the 91/30 is technically a Carbine, it was based on the Dragoon version of the Mosin Nagant, which was a carbine version.
But it is usually not called a Carbine, because that would blurr the lines a bit between it, and the 38, 44 and 56 carbines.

As for SMG carbines, the FN-PS90 is actually designated as a Carbine, its a semi-auto civillian version of the P90 SMG, but was designated a Carbine to exploit a legal loophole that exempts carbines from certain restrictions that would otherwise have made the gun illegal for civilian use in many places.

Sargeant Smash wrote:
WAY OFFTOPIC! Im thinking of a folding bayonet and a muzzle brake like the one on the yugoslavian 59/66 that will allow grenades to be fired.


That would actually look quite good, perhabs redesign the front sight aswell? i think it would look good with a more simple globe sight, or perhabs something along the lines of the one on the MK5 jungle Carbine.
Author:  James [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:12 pm ]
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Bjossi wrote:
To me it looks more like a showcase than a weapon suggestion for BW.


yeah, thats the feeling im getting too.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:34 pm ]
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No its not a carbine. Its an update to the old dragoon rifles, it had a few revisions in 1930 the biggest one being Sights made in the metric system and not in the old arshin system. Changes included the front and rear sights, split barrel bands retained by springs, and a round receiver as opposed to the hexagonal receiver used earlier. The rifle that was shortend was the dragoon and cossack rifles by 2.5 inches, shortening by 2.5 inches does not make it a carbine, thats not a big enough change. Dont know where you got 6 inches.

for more info on the mosin nagant rifles try www.7.62x54r.net thats where i get alot of info, also try www.russian-mosin-nagant.com

The submachine gun thing is kinda odd too, the FN-PS90 is a carbine but not a submachine gun because in order for it to be legal is most states it has to be of certain lenght and be semi auto only, negating its sub"machinegun" qaulities. unless you got a class 3 firearms license then you can own a real p90.

I never realy cared too much for lee enfield sights. So i think im gonna try something like a mosin nagant rear sight and the front post of the mosin nagants.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:56 pm ]
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Its a weapon suggestion with a picture or two to help display his idea. It may or may not be usable in game, probably depends largely on SSmash's motivation. ;)
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:18 pm ]
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I like hugs... lots and lots of hugs....

If we find someone that can texture then i think that will be all the motivation i need to finish it.
Author:  Grobut [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:01 am ]
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Im willing to give texturing a go, lest someone with more experiance wants the job.
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:05 am ]
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Does it have the same UV maps as the R78? I might be able to whip up a look-a-like, then.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:08 am ]
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i might have to whip up a new UV map, but i think this needs a different colour and details, dont want it to look like it has the same texture as the sniper rifle.
Author:  siavash1989 [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:03 pm ]
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if you wanna make the gun shorter but keep the power and speed you should turn it into a bullpup like this one :D (yes i know im pushing it too hard)
http://www.runestorm.com/pl/forum/forum ... .php?51892
Author:  OCAdam [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:40 pm ]
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Honestly, I just can't see myself even attempting to use this gun. I just don't see this as much more than the SRS900 without a scope, and just the R78 name slapped on.
Author:  Treadhead [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:11 pm ]
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It's a carbine, not an assault rifle, like the SRS900. The R78U4 would supposedly hit harder, have less chaos, more accurate when under control, but more recoil and more chaos from firing.
Author:  OCAdam [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:27 pm ]
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Treadhead wrote:
It's a carbine, not an assault rifle, like the SRS900. The R78U4 would supposedly hit harder, have less chaos, more accurate when under control, but more recoil and more chaos from firing.


The way I use the '900 is only as a lower sniper role. The S-AR12 is my AR, or an M50. Maybe I also don't like the design being just a scopeless R78. :P
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