Reading the upper link; a mini-mod is 7 MBs, since when?
The filesize tells us that he is illegally modifying the BW file(s). I suggest someone tells him to take these down or RS will have the right to take legal actions.
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| Author: | James [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
the new name for "bloody hell" at filefront....... http://unrealtournament2004.filefront.c ... lood;74711 http://unrealtournament2004.filefront.c ... lood;74712 on top of that im confused =/ |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
Not again... |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:30 pm ] |
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Well here's how the story goes. X found that mod on Moddb, then contacted me and the devs + Bjossi (i'm sure), and this guy who made this mod, didn't ask for permission from RS, so the dudes been told, though i haven't a clue what will happen now. All i know is this is a custom modification of BH that is consider 'illegal' for not asking permission. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:34 pm ] |
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They both are. I'm pretty sure they just didn't think about asking permision, I don't think they intentionally tried to rip off the RS guys. You know what they say, mockery is the sincerest form of flattery... |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:52 pm ] |
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Reading the upper link; a mini-mod is 7 MBs, since when?
The filesize tells us that he is illegally modifying the BW file(s). I suggest someone tells him to take these down or RS will have the right to take legal actions. |
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| Author: | James [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
time to bring this guy down.... btw, he probably will steal 2.0's gore mod to...... |
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| Author: | Rayne_870 [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:40 pm ] |
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RS should take legal actions then they would have money to make more mods |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:48 pm ] |
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Alright, DC, SB, and Cyberax have been PMed about this. We'll just see what happens from here... Also, lets not jump to conclusions yet, as we have little info on this. |
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| Author: | cyberax [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
Well...technicaly I don't think he has done anything wrong....from what I can see is he has made a mod based on BW (similar to what others have done with JW weapons). It is just textures it seems like...His readme says it needs BW to work! Credit would be nice....if he's used/modified the code without permission, then the devs might have something to take action on... Devs will investigate. Besides...imitation is the greatest form of flattery 
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:36 am ] |
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Of course you need BW to play it, he modified DC's code and released it as his own. Which is illegal. You guys need to add copyrights to the readme, because without it there is nothing you can do about this. |
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| Author: | Dark_Watcher [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:26 pm ] |
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the question is can RS fund legal actions? |
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| Author: | James [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:33 pm ] |
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im sure they can 
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:05 pm ] |
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James wrote: im sure they can't
Fixed. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:07 pm ] |
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Actually, Cyberax, he has modified their Texture package with out permission (as it simply replaces the BW one if I'm not mistaken), and I think thats about the same as code modifying, as it is still their content modified without permission. Oh well, lets just not worry about this, everyone, the Devs will handle it. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:17 pm ] |
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They can't really do anything, because nowhere in the readme is written that modifying their stuff is not allowed. |
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| Author: | Rayne_870 [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
well i guess this will have to be chalked up as a lesson for the future 2.0 release |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:34 pm ] |
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Grumble. It might not be illegal, but it's all kinds of rude. |
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| Author: | Dark_Watcher [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:10 pm ] |
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you know we could all send him hate mail untell he pulls it off the net. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
No. Do not send hate mail. What kind of impression do you think that'd make of the RS community? We'll let the devs clear this up, as stated before. Maybe the guy will realize he should have asked permission first and will apologize for it. Its not really something we need to get into. |
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| Author: | ShadowBlade [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
ok.. looks like we'll do digging.. whoever this dude is, he did not ask for permission to f**k with our pacakges.. looks like it only verwrites the blood texture package with his own one.. it'll cause all sorts of compatibility issues and crap.. besides that.. all in all, it aint too serious.. essentially we have some jackass just messing with our files.. doesnt alter any code or whatever, but it would be nice if he asked us if he could release it as a seperate thing WITH our permission.. |
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| Author: | James [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:30 am ] |
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Bjossi wrote: James wrote: im sure they can't Fixed. are you sure...? |
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| Author: | cyberax [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
Ok, to sum up, as I see tempretures are getiing hot... The author of the "super blood" BW mod has only re-done the textures for the blood, so if you use his texture package, you get his version of blood. he hasn't actualy modified any code. However, by overwriting the texture package of the BW mod, he is stepping on toes... On the bright side, whoever uses it, is not going to be able to play too well on-line, what with package issues etc. I'm not so sure there is a whole lot that can be done about, due to licensing imposed by using the UT modding stuff...However the devs actual work is covered by copyright, which will be more highlighted in the next release. Copyright does NOT give you the right to stop people using your stuff, it gives you control over the work you have done, i.e. it should not be modified/duplicated etc. without permission...however you do agree to certain things by using the UT modding tools (covered by that license), so it's a kinda grey area...one of those conditions is making your changes available if required....Copyright also does not (sadly) stop people from making the same thing as you (that's what patents are for), or naming it the same (that's what registered trademarks are for). At the end of the day, if people want to support the "super blood" mod, then they won't find much support from Runestorm, as RS does not appreciate people messing with their stuff. Taking action (if it was found that action could be taken), would actualy be another whole problem as well...the internet is big... Shouting and cursing at them is not going to help, that just tends to make those people more angry and want to do more damage (it's a macho thing!). Simply do not support them! I guess RS could make a complaint to the file hosting site, and ask them that it be removed, I will leave that up to the devs to decide, but no doubt it would pop up somewhere else...too much effort to keep chasing it down! Enough said about this topic, let it go, it's not the end of the world and everyone knows where the real mod is. I take it as a compliment that people want to mod a RS mod !!! Must mean RS is doing something right!
Let's look forward to version 2.0
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:11 am ] |
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Good summary Cyber. James has no idea how expensive legal actions are, but we can easily avoid that by simply ignoring this. |
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| Author: | James [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:08 pm ] |
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yeah i have no idea, and legal actions are best to be avoided any ways..... |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:28 pm ] |
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Best if the devs just can get the file site to get rid of it. |
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| Author: | James [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:45 pm ] |
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agreed.... |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
No, there will still be the file on other sites, the best thing that can be done is bring the creator of the file to an understanding of what he did wrong and just work something out of it, but that isn't always going to work... |
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| Author: | St!gar [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
Hmmm... now I've tried it. The blood seems pretty simmilar to yours, only it seems to form several smaller puddles rather than fewer big ones. Extremely realistic-looking blood, though. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:37 am ] |
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Don't bother with this blood pack Stinger, the guy never even asked permission from RS, besides, the blood looks terrible in my opinion, + it will be obsolete and impossible to use in BW2.0. |
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| Author: | KylinRage [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | super blood??? wtf? |
Stuff like this happens EVERY day. Alot of modders who make stuff for big famous games can handle it. For example, I saw this mod in Oblivion which actually steals 10 mods from other authors and put it into a modpack which gives the people no credit. In the end, what the modding community did was simply ignore this mod. Then, it died out. I think that is the best action to take right now. |
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