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Author:  Guessmyname [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
When I start a bot-match with Ballistic Weapons or JunkWars the game tends to lag (not horrifically, but noticable - gets better if I disable the blood / gore options) then, after about 5 minutes, it crashes, with this error:

UT2004 Build UT2004_Build_[2005-11-23_16.22]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 2169 MHz with 1023MB RAM
Video: RADEON 9600 SERIES (6618)

General protection fault!

History: RenderLevel <- DM-Gael.myLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine::Draw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- Level Gael <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop <- FMallocWindows::Free <- FMallocWindows::Realloc <- 10910191 0 FArray <- FArray::Realloc <- 0*2 <- FMallocWindows::Free

I think this means that the game is trying to render too much stuff at once, but I'm not a modder or coder (not for UT anyway) so I don't really know. Can anyone help?

I'm going to try reducing the settings for now. It definately improves when the blood effects are disabled and there are less bots etc etc, though the Lightning Gun lags like a bastard, so I'll probably disable that

I also tried reinstalling UT in case there was a conflict with something somewhere, which had little effect. Having reinstalled UT, I installed the Epic Content Pack and the latest patch (in that order)

EDIT: Tried again, with reduced settings. Same map, though this time it was an arena match with Battlerifles

UT2004 Build UT2004_Build_[2005-11-23_16.22]

OS: Windows XP 5.1 (Build: 2600)
CPU: AuthenticAMD PentiumPro-class processor @ 2169 MHz with 1023MB RAM
Video: RADEON 9600 SERIES (6618)

General protection fault!

History: RenderLevel <- DM-Gael.myLevel <- FLevelSceneNode::Render <- FPlayerSceneNode::Render <- UGameEngine::Draw <- UWindowsViewport::Repaint <- UWindowsClient::Tick <- ClientTick <- UGameEngine::Tick <- Level Gael <- UpdateWorld <- MainLoop <- FMallocWindows::Free <- FMallocWindows::Realloc <- 10910191 0 FArray <- FArray::Realloc <- 0*2 <- FMallocWindows::Free

Same error as before

It's a shame really. I really enjoy the mod, and it's a lot of fun when it lasts

EDIT: Just tried again with even lower settings. Actually made things worse...
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:16 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
This is not related to the game trying to render too much, your system is way above the recommended requirements. Just use comfortable settings.

Does the crash always happen after 5 minutes or when a certain situation occurs?
Author:  Guessmyname [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:21 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
It seems to be random. I've had it crash at the very start and had it crash well into a game

EDIT: I'll try a 1vs1 bot match. That way I might be able to find whats causing it.

Also: Have I installed UT et all correctly?

Install went thusly:

UT2004
Epic Content Pack thingy
3369 patch
JunkWars 1.1 Beta (BW core not included)
BW v2 (JunkWars 2 patch included)

I may have gotten the Content Pack and Patch installed in the wrong order (I though the Pack had the patch included, and only discovered it didn't when I tried to install BW)
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
What you are experiencing are script errors, they happen when something is wrong in the code execution; which can have many reasons. Judging by the error you are getting, reInstalling BW2 might do the trick. And I mean a clean reInstall, not just overwriting files.

But that install order looks correct, did you by any chance use the umods to install BW2/JW?
Author:  Guessmyname [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Yes, it was a Umod install. I could try it without Junkwars I suppose
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
If that fails, try the zip installs.
But remember to delete every single BW and JW file from the UT2004 directory before reInstalling.

(in the case of umods, just run setup.exe in the UT2004\System folder and unInstall the mod from there)
Author:  Tyster [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
I didn't see any mention of this problem you have occuring when you don't use ballistic weapons. Consider running these two experiments:
1: Run a game with bloody hell and ballistic sprint. Does the same problem occur?
2: Run UT04 at highest settings with a bunch of mutators except any of the ballistic mutators. Any problems there?

I doubt it's the video card problem, since I have the Radeon 9800, which is your vid car's big brother. If you haven't updated your driver recently, you can do so here - http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

If all that doesn't work, you could try thinking outside the box. Could something other than UT or mods be causing it? For example, if you have disk defragmenter going + some other applications updating, that could screw things up. One other thing to consider is the "purity" of your HD. How good is your virus protection and firewall? If you wanna do a check, try this program I often use to keep an eye on things, called "Spy Bot". It does a scan for viruses and maleware - http://www.spybot.info/
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Something else can't cause an engine script error. It has to be something coming from within the game's code, or the mutators you are using.
Author:  thetrunkmonkey [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:50 pm ]
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Bjossi wrote:
If that fails, try the zip installs.
But remember to delete every single BW and JW file from the UT2004 directory before reInstalling.

(in the case of umods, just run setup.exe in the UT2004\System folder and unInstall the mod from there)

i sued teh umod instal caues it works fine its the zip that soemtimes gives me problems
Author:  OCAdam [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
thetrunkmonkey wrote:
Bjossi wrote:
If that fails, try the zip installs.
But remember to delete every single BW and JW file from the UT2004 directory before reinstalling.

(in the case of umods, just run setup.exe in the UT2004\System folder and uninstall the mod from there)

I used the umod install cause it works fine; it's the zip that sometimes gives me problems!


English'd
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:42 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
thetrunkmonkey wrote:
i sued teh umod instal caues it works fine its the zip that soemtimes gives me problems


Probably because you don't know how to extract & install a mod from a zip file.
But umods tend to not install correctly which has no connection with lack of knowledge on the user's behalf
Author:  Guessmyname [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:30 am ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Tyster wrote:
I didn't see any mention of this problem you have occuring when you don't use ballistic weapons. Consider running these two experiments:
1: Run a game with bloody hell and ballistic sprint. Does the same problem occur?
2: Run UT04 at highest settings with a bunch of mutators except any of the ballistic mutators. Any problems there?


Will do

Tyster wrote:
If all that doesn't work, you could try thinking outside the box. Could something other than UT or mods be causing it? For example, if you have disk defragmenter going + some other applications updating, that could screw things up. One other thing to consider is the "purity" of your HD. How good is your virus protection and firewall? If you wanna do a check, try this program I often use to keep an eye on things, called "Spy Bot". It does a scan for viruses and maleware - http://www.spybot.info/


I have Spybot S&D, AVG Free Edition and Adaware version something-or-other. They all automatically update themselves, and all have done this recently, and all ask permission to update first (so if one was updating, I'd know). I also did a full virus scan a few weeks ago. My computer's clean
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
You wouldn't be getting a script error if your computer was infected with a virus or spyware.
Author:  Guessmyname [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Just tried an ordinary UT match with Bloody Hell and Ballistic Sprint mutators active. It went a bit better (I managed to finish a game, and appear to be surprisingly good at getting headshots with the Lightning gun). Half-way into my second match, my computer reset itself. I hadn't killed my opponent (1vs1) - I'd just activated the Invisibilty adreniline power. About 5-10 seconds after that, reboot.

According to wikipedia, GPF errors, if not caught in time, will force the system to reboot, so it was probably the same error

Also: Firefox crashed mid-way through me typing this. I'm beginning to doubt the stability of my system...

EDIT: Just tried an ordinary UT match with no mutators at all. Same error. I'll try reinstalling UT again, but in this order:

UT
patch
Epic Content Pack thing
Junk Wars 1.1 (BW base not included)
BW (Junk Wars patch 2.0 included)

EDIT: Graaaah! I've just reinstalled UT, with patch and Epic Content thing, but no mods or anything like that. Same error! What the hell is causing this? I've had UT2004 for over a year now, it's never done this!

EDIT: Tried updating the drivers. My computer went a bit loopy in the process, and the error still persists
Author:  Miracle Matter [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
That does sound like a system problem rather than a game problem. I'm not sure what would do that though...
Author:  Guessmyname [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Yup. My system's gone senile. Bah. We're going to build the next one. Might get a new one soon anyway. This one's about 4 years old, and starting to show it's age...

Though we do still have a Windows 95, that's over ten years old and still working :P
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
That script error must be related to your computer executing UT2 while unstable.

I suggest you back up important files, because you are describing symptoms of a dying hard drive, and if you hear a click sound from your case; panic.

But on a positive note, of course this can be just OS instability or other hardware is dying on you, or the hardware is just not properly installed into their socket on the mobo.
Author:  Tyster [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Never heard of a HD clicking. I heard about the "Click of Death" for ZIP disks, is that the same with hard drives?
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
Yep, years ago I heard that click once and seconds later I lost 20 GBs of data.
Author:  Guessmyname [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:20 am ]
Post subject:  BW lags for five minutes then crashes
*backs up stuff quickly*
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