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There is no ally, there is no friend, as darkness in the unkown abyss reaches out to you, who will you turn to for protection?...theres is only your gun, your rifle. It is your voice when you are speechless, it is your hand when you go limp with fear. You can only trust the gun. You may think those around you are there to assist but your world is the insignea of evil itself, these faces, these visions are but agents of your own insanity each with their own guns and as they go forth to hunt you down and blast you into their realm of madness...trust the gun...only the gun. This is not Hell, this is you. Your lack of fath in the gun has brought you into the prison of the mind. You must free the mind with a well placed shot, the gun will open a great light before you and the flames of the firing pin shall burn the enemy. Behold thy gun, Its long barrel is its guiding hand, the trigger is the key and it points to your brain; the gatekeeper of this purgatory. The gatekeeper is your enemy. Pull the trigger, unlock the door of your mind. Release the soul within, out into oblivion.

The gun is your only friend now.

Author:	P_Colossus [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:46 pm ]
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Guns, what are they? Why are they made ? Why people like to use them ? When i first launched Ballistic Weapons 2.1, turned on lodout and selected new weapons, what was my expressions ? First of all i watched on them and though that they lacks of detail, then i started to murder bot by bot with them. After three - four head shots with the Ranger Rifle i started to thinking that the shooting sounds was lame... I turned off UT and went to sleep, the next day i suggested my friend to play online, and configured so only new and few other guns was able to use in Conflict weapon selection to give them the second chance. What did i discovered? It appears that guns are like people, from appearance you may think that he is some drunk bastard, but when you will get to know him you might like him so as the guns. From that day these new weapons became my faworites and i kind of like how they look. Going through hordes of bots, making frag by frag. Am i'm wrong or am i'm right that is the question. And remember guns dont kill people, i do. P.S. I apologise if i made any grammar mistakes, darn tough thread.

Author:	Kaboodles [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:54 pm ]
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Drugs are bad for you.

Author:	P_Colossus [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:01 pm ]
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Kaboodles wrote: Drugs are bad for you. LMAO Thank god im not using them. This thread was made to bring something new and funny to our forum so lets stay on topic shall we ?

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:28 pm ]
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Wow, philosophy! Interesting analogy, I kinda felt something like that with the S-AR 12 until I ended up getting all my kills with it as head shots for the first half of that round in Albatross.

Author:	Yokelassence [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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[monologue="D Minor"] There is no ally, there is no friend, as darkness in the unkown abyss reaches out to you, who will you turn to for protection?...theres is only your gun, your rifle. It is your voice when you are speechless, it is your hand when you go limp with fear. You can only trust the gun. You may think those around you are there to assist but your world is the insignea of evil itself, these faces, these visions are but agents of your own insanity each with their own guns and as they go forth to hunt you down and blast you into their realm of madness...trust the gun...only the gun. This is not Hell, this is you. Your lack of fath in the gun has brought you into the prison of the mind. You must free the mind with a well placed shot, the gun will open a great light before you and the flames of the firing pin shall burn the enemy. Behold thy gun, Its long barrel is its guiding hand, the trigger is the key and it points to your brain; the gatekeeper of this purgatory. The gatekeeper is your enemy. Pull the trigger, unlock the door of your mind. Release the soul within, out into oblivion. The gun is your only friend now. [/monologue]

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Author:	Tyster [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:08 pm ]
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Sinc're we're on the topic of "2nd amendment forever", how's this? "There is no greater long-term protection against crime than to put a gun in every person's hand."

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:13 pm ]
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I don't like the sound of that.

Author:	Yokelassence [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:28 am ]
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That would not actualy change the rate of crime but it would make criminal and anti-criminal activity alot more hardcore. Look on the bright side, the average IQ in the country would raise along with the death toll. Captain Xavious wrote: Whoa, thats an awesome monopoly thingy. Where is it from? And its about shooting yourself...? I made it up on the spot, but what do you suppose it means? -Is it a poetic reference to a horrible high school shooting? -Is it a lamentation to a lost love one and the dangers of firearms? -Is it a foresight into the mind of a criminal killer? -Is Yokelassence contemplating suicide? -Or is he just trying to parody Emo'ism? Hmm the mind ponders...

Author:	P_Colossus [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:34 am ]
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Yokelassence wrote: There is no ally, there is no friend, as darkness in the unkown abyss reaches out to you, who will you turn to for protection?...theres is only your gun, your rifle. It is your voice when you are speechless, it is your hand when you go limp with fear. You can only trust the gun. You may think those around you are there to assist but your world is the insignea of evil itself, these faces, these visions are but agents of your own insanity each with their own guns and as they go forth to hunt you down and blast you into their realm of madness...trust the gun...only the gun. This is not Hell, this is you. Your lack of fath in the gun has brought you into the prison of the mind. You must free the mind with a well placed shot, the gun will open a great light before you and the flames of the firing pin shall burn the enemy. Behold thy gun, Its long barrel is its guiding hand, the trigger is the key and it points to your brain; the gatekeeper of this purgatory. The gatekeeper is your enemy. Pull the trigger, unlock the door of your mind. Release the soul within, out into oblivion. The gun is your only friend now. Hilarious -Is it a foresight into the mind of a criminal killer? Tyster wrote: "There is no greater long-term protection against crime than to put a gun in every person's hand." May cause some spare deaths.

Author:	SX [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:28 am ]
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"we are the many armaments of destruction as we destroy thy enemies that thou operator who decides to smite thee people, we may be silly, professional, or that belongs in nature, never thy less, we only serve to destroy. Thou shalt beware not to point thy gun in their own face, for if they shall, thy brains are on thy floor. For a weapon, there are 2 uses, for the world around, the uses are endless"

Author:	Tyster [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:29 am ]
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"May cause some spare deaths. " More like birth pangs. Just a thought off the top of my head... not that I entirely endorse it. However, I do agree with those who say that anti-gun laws just take the guns away from the law-abiding citizens, but not all the crooks who break the law anyways.

Author:	Meatboy [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:28 am ]
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Mark Twain once said "An armed society is a polite society" , and that rings ture. You are far less likely to speak poorly of another man,to invade his space, or to act with bad intent if you know there is a good chance you might get shot doing it. The flip side to that is for the most part those that carry weapons understand the great responsibily that comes with the gun. I live in Texas, a state that does indeed allow a citzen by permit to carry a conceled weapon after they have proven that they can be confident and responsible with a weapon. When the law first passed there was a long list of places you could not bring your weapon to but as the years have gone buy most places like stores, resteraunts and malls now welcome concelled carry because crime tends to sharply drop in areas where the weapons are. Criminals prey on the weak, they want nothing to do with any chance that they will end up getting shot and tend to avoid places where they might. Police are great but in the end they are just a detterant and are there to take account one the harm has been done. I work on the philsophy that I make a real lousy victum and have no problem with killing anybody who would harm me or my loved ones for a few lousy dollars. There are lots of cases in this state where a thug threating a victum has found himself looking at several barrels of drawn weapons by armed citizens. [Been part of one of those myself ] The thug in question simply dropped his weapon and fled, and guess what no wild gunfight erupted since folks who carry conceled are responsable enough not to dischare a weapon int a crowd. My own choice of weapon reflects my philosophy, I carry a american arms model one derringer. A small two shot single cocker that can and does carry .410 shot shells carrying three ball ammo. [That means each shell has three .00 buckshot as it's load and being struck by one is like getting hit with three .45 cal shells. ]. The weapon has a very limited range witch is good since if you going to have to fight for your life it is going to be at point blank range anyway. Only two shells and a long reload time is fine by me, because if you cant get the job done in two shots, you have no good reason to be drawing the gun anyhow, and no I have never shot anybody and pray to god I never have too. In the end a gun is an inert object it is the weilder that shapes it's intent. My intent is to be an armed citzen and a polite one to boot. It probally also explains why the Mtr6 bopgun is still my favorite weapon in the ballistic lineup.

Author:	Kaboodles [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:35 am ]
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But what if a wild gunfight does occur? What if the thug wasn't acting alone? What if he had backup? That's a lot of potential damage right there. It may decrease the occurrence of street muggings and the like, but it won't remove criminals outright. It'll just force the criminals to think smarter about where they commit their crimes.

Author:	Bjossi [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:54 am ]
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And when criminals think smart, things can get ugly. Yes, there actually ARE clever bastards out there.

Author:	Tyster [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:16 am ]
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There are some interesting ideas being thrown about with a bit of thought behind this discussion, but how about we talk about numbers? Would an armed society save 500 lives and lose 50 due to chaos? Would your average person accidentally shoot a friend more often than a robber? If you foun someone in your home with you computer/TV/wallet in hand(s), would you aim at the head, torso, arm, foot, or leg? I don't recall if this is a state law or national law, but I hear that if you're gonna shoot a thief, try to do so while he/she is in your house; it helps to avoid legal conflicts. Keep in mind that I'm assuming that this woud happen only if there is a clear and present danger to a person and there seems to be no other solution (like calling the police or whacking the thief with a baseball bat, instead). Another idea: Use blind the sucker (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/756433/la ... ight_hack/). Don't have to go shooting every common thief or robber.

Author:	Yokelassence [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:10 pm ]
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On the note of civil defence has anyone heard about the Chic fashion tazers coming out in a beauty store near you? Comes in pretty pink, red or light blue and carries ALOT of voltage. They are based on the same ranged apprehensive tazers that some police forces currently use and are intended to let you zap muggers and run without causing any serious injury or in the case of this thread: a firefight. They should be available in stores once they get the approval of your local governor or prime minister Just dont mistake them for the TV remote.

Author:	ShadowBlade [ Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:32 am ]
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rocket launching old-lady!? no.. although, 2 UZI's would make excellent self-defense toys.. when the thug (or thugs), come up to you, just open up... speaking of self defense, there was a device invented here in SA, to help with hijackings.. A sorta flamethrower under the vehicle, and when a button is pressed, 2 jets of fire would spray out on either side of the car.. so by-bye would-be hijacker there are actually a whole bunch in use.. last i heard it was 20000 or so..

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Author:	P_Colossus [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:16 am ]
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Bjossi wrote: And when criminals think smart, things can get ugly. Yes, there actually ARE clever bastards out there. Indeed, things can go out of control, more armed civils = more organised crimes. Just a funny thing to think about too: Imagine some thief had stolen a purse from an old lady, and she takes her rocket launcher out, shoots in the burglar and misses, she hits a school bus with a missile; Bang! I say: armed civils - bad idea... BTW, i see we gone little out off topic, but its ok, more things to talk about

Author:	Kaboodles [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:55 am ]
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A rocket launcher is probably taking it a bit too far, don't you think? This is more of a concealed weapon kind of thing. Something you can hide in your jacket or purse.

Author:	Bulska [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:34 am ]
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LASER GUN!

Author:	P_Colossus [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:30 pm ]
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Kaboodles wrote: A rocket launcher is probably taking it a bit too far, don't you think? This is more of a concealed weapon kind of thing. Something you can hide in your jacket or purse. Yes i understand it was just an example, same can happen with a gun, she misses and hits some other guy's head... Let the professionals do their job.

Author:	Meatboy [ Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:52 pm ]
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Yeah the trick is that the armed citizen has to be resposible, hence my weapon choice. Also note wailing away in public carry permit or not will land you quickly in jail. The law has ben in effect in texas for ten years and there is yet to be a bystander harmed or shot. Armed citzens who are trained and act responable seem to get it. Having any citizen being able to pick up and carry would be a nightmare no doubt.

Author:	sgnl05 [ Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:52 am ]
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Is that legal? Also, couldn't they use teargas, or something that doesn't cause a horrifically painful death?

Author:	Tyster [ Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:04 am ]
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ShadowBlade wrote: A sorta flamethrower under the vehicle, and when a button is pressed, 2 jets of fire would spray out on either side of the car.. "Hello, officer. I'll just turn off my radio..."

Author:	DarkCarnivour [ Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:40 am ]
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There are some societies where just about everyone is a balanced rational and non-criminal, but for most of the world, this is not the case. here we we live (South Africa) crime is ridiculous and we don't just have criminals that steal cause they are hungry. Criminals here WILL kill out of principle. They kill you for R2.00. If a criminal decides he wants something from you (whatever that might be), you are now on the sopt and completely at the mercy of whatever fate he has in mind for you. Around here that is probably death. Criminals all have guns, no law every stops them having guns. Criminals are not resposible, they don't care who they shoot and don't mind killing a few innocent bistanders to frighten everyone else into submission. Criminals are not all trained how to use guns and there is no control onver them at all. The only thing left is make every single law abiding citizen as powerful as possible. Criminals always pick on the weakest targets they can find. they will avoid any chance of getting shot. I would rather both me and the criminal have guns than just the criminal have a gun and me nothing. What is more important to you, your family's safety or idealistic behaviour and idiotic laws? The amount of people killed ina ccidents is far less than the amount of criminal incidents deterred by your owning a gun. Training and a bit of responsibility will prevent accidents. (Irresponsible people kill far more people with cars than guns!) P_Colossus wrote: Let the professionals do their job. The proffesionals are ALWAYS the LAST people on the scene and by the time they get there, its all over anyway. Its all very well to let the proffesionals do their job, but by then you and your loved ones are all dead. Laws don't bring you any comfort when your dead. The only ally who you can expect to be there on the scene with you is you gun! I beleive that is every person was issued with a gun, crime would be hugely reduced. Every person should have a gun and should be trained in the responsible use of it. The only laws should be there to take guns away from convicted criminals (its pretty easy to dissarm a criminal in jail) and to make sure that everyone is propperly trained/skilled in the use of their gun.

Author:	P_Colossus [ Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:34 pm ]
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There is truth in what you said... The point is in our time there are many stupid bastards which probably dont give a f*** about responsibility. Lets take these situations: 1)Some stranger stabbed you, and if he had a gun he just might shoot you; i prefer being stabbed. (this happens really often nowadays, personally witnessed this 3 times) 2)Some guy (probably at school/work) hates you, so he will beat the crap out of you, with guns he might shoot you. 3)Terrorists captured some building, people without guns stay safe until some hero started to shoot them all and because of this they detonated 500 kg of explosives. 4)Some bar fight, with guns, can become a warfare. To reduce crime level hmmm... death sentences. If you kill someone you will be executed, this will surely make people think before killing someone.

Author:	cyberax [ Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:32 am ]
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This thread is going off-topic...please keep it on topic, or it will get moved...

Author:	DarkCarnivour [ Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:59 pm ]
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The guns in BW are all designed to have... uhhh... character. If you just haul it out and say, "oh well, lets see how useful this one is", you'll probably miss out on its power. The more you learn each weapon, the more effective you'll become with it. They all have MANY little properties and differences and some will work well in some situations while others will work better in different suituations. If you learn a gun, you can predict its recoil pattern, know its range capabilities, spread pattern, chaos behacoir, damage variances, reloading behaviour, and so on. This is why some people swear by some guns and swear at others while different people will have the opposite likings... As for terrorists, stabbers, bar brawlers and the 'some guy'. They are the irresponislbe people that have guns if you like it or not. It will work much the same as in a game. You won't always win and things won't aways come off well for you, but I find that the bigger the gun you haave, the better things are in your favour. The R9 and SAR seem to be pretty popular guns BTW. I think peple in BW pick that guns that suite their style of play. Since I tend to stay back and lurk in the shadows (and have an obsession with avoiding deaths) I usually take a weapon with range, but that can still work when something enexpected happens. I usually end up with M50, SAR, D49s...

Author:	Tyster [ Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:30 pm ]
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Personally, I just go by how pretty the gun is how and how fun it is to shoot. The revolver is fun because it is gratifying and has a nice Half Life feel to it. The mini gun is fun to shoot because I love to see all the brass shoot out of it and pile up (now that I have some processing power to throw around). The sub machine gun is fun becasue... well, I dunno. All the guns are fun to shoot, so I vary things, too. If I suck at using the particular guns I feel like using, I just lower the bot skill (I never play online).