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Author:  -)F3(-Denn [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:45 pm ]
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i was thinking that you guys should make an AK-47 Weapon in the next pack. it just crossed my mind that u guys havent made the bad ass gun yet :o! btw i love the BWBP4.
Author:  Kien [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:11 pm ]
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I would vomit to see an ak-47. Next thing would be a desert eagle.
Author:  Bjossi [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:32 pm ]
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-)F3(-Denn wrote:
i was thinking that you guys should make an AK-47 Weapon in the next pack. it just crossed my mind that u guys havent made the bad ass gun yet :o! btw i love the BWBP4.


If you want an AK47, then you'll have to sponsor it.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:53 pm ]
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I know a lot of people that want an AK-47, me being one of them. There may just be enough talent around RS that the fans could make it, which would be pretty cool, but a sponsored one would work too.
Author:  Industry [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:01 pm ]
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now how would an AK-47 fit in the archon universe?
i can think of how. just let me know and i will make a backstory for one. :)
but Desert eagels are for wimps.
Real Men use Revolvers.
Author:  James [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:46 pm ]
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Captain Xavious wrote:
I know a lot of people that want an AK-47, me being one of them. There may just be enough talent around RS that the fans could make it, which would be pretty cool, but a sponsored one would work too.



I still have my AK model, i could make it a lot better now. I would need an animator and a texture artist though...... I think sgt. kelly could fit in this somewhere.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:45 am ]
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Drake Fireblade wrote:
now how would an AK-47 fit in the archon universe?
i can think of how. just let me know and i will make a backstory for one. :)
but Desert eagels are for wimps.
Real Men use Revolvers.


Ak-47 has been in use since the tail-end of WWII (or was it just after it?) and is still used frequently today. In fact new variants of if are still being made, and considering some 90+ year old bolt action rifles are still used by militaries today, I think it'd be safe to say an AK-47 still in use 150 years later isn't too much of a stretch.

As for models, if you need some hands for a base, I got some for you, James.

I'm taking a class for Maya and animating in school, I might get a chance to animate it , but I don't know how deep we are going in animating stuff and I don't now much about it.
Author:  Kien [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:19 am ]
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Captain Xavious wrote:
I'm taking a class for Maya and animating in school, I might get a chance to animate it , but I don't know how deep we are going in animating stuff and I don't now much about it.

Do you hate it too?? :> For everything except animation I can hardly stand using maya. I hate some of the most basic things in it and it lacks some tools for modeling. Modeling non-organic symmetric hard shapes in maya is a pain in the ass due lack of good snap functions.
Author:  Grobut [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:17 am ]
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Drake Fireblade wrote:
now how would an AK-47 fit in the archon universe?
i can think of how. just let me know and i will make a backstory for one. :)
but Desert eagels are for wimps.
Real Men use Revolvers.


An AK-47 would never fit, as it is horribly outdated, and hasen't been in production since 1959, but an AKM/AK-74 or just about anything from the AK-100 series would fit nicely, for the same reasons they are still mass produced all over the world today.

The AKM design (the design the 74 and 100 series are also based on) is incredibly reliable, and it is cheap and very easy to mass produce, imagine that you are a millitary force in the future, and all your energy weapons where just rendered useless against a new enemy that has shielding tech.. what do you need more than anything? millions upon millions of ballistic weapons! and you needed them yesterday!
Thus, the AKM design is perfect! its reliable, simple, it can be easilly mass produced, and your troops can be trained to use it in a matter of days! because its opperation and field stripping is so easy, and it requres so little maintenance.
Author:  James [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:24 am ]
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xavious, If i could animate then the hands would be useful.
I could use the hands to scale the model correctly though(siize, shape, etc).

do you still have my email?
Author:  Treadhead [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:50 am ]
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All the guns in the mod are either original, or upgraded, enhanced versions of existing weapons. The AK or AKM series would fit in very well, in my opinion. Yet again, I have encountered a topic where a concept of such a gun has been made by myself. The topic should be easy enough to dig up. It's not really an AK-47 any more so much as a double-barreled, multiple-grenade launcher monstrosity.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:50 am ]
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Yeah, I think I got it, I'll send the hands now.

@Kien

To be honest, I haven't used any of the other programs to know which I like better. I don't mind Maya since I'm used to it and know how to do stuff in it, but until I get more experiance in other programs I can't say much.
Author:  UndeadRoadkill [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:45 pm ]
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Treadhead wrote:
All the guns in the mod are either original, or upgraded, enhanced versions of existing weapons.


Awesome, where do I get a viper?
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:46 pm ]
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At the same place you get the A73 and Lightning gun. Haven't you been there?
Author:  UndeadRoadkill [ Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:55 am ]
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Skrith's Club? Don't have a membership.
Author:  Sargeant Smash [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:42 pm ]
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The Ak-47 is the best rifle ever made hands down. NUFF said. Most reliable,easy to learn, good power, easily handled, most produced rifle ever, will out live everyone on this board as long as there is still ammo. If you cant explain an Ak-47 in the game, how do you explain an m14, an m16 etc in the game?

Frankly the ak 74 series sucks, the round is terrible, smaller than a 22 lead, 53 grain, no stopping power at all, and dont give that "Oh it tumbles" BS, i dont want a bullet that tumbles i want a bullet that knocks someone down on their A**, a round that punches through multiple cinder block walls, punches through trees and 3 other targets behind the said tree! Not a bullet thats gonna hit a sheet of tin go through it and get caught in someones clothes.

If i had to choose between an AK-47 and all the other standard battle rifles on the planet (m16, SA 80, etc ) Id be carrying an ak-47.

The desert eagle is a fine piece of Israeli engineering, revolutionary if you ask me. It fires such a BIG round, that if you wanted you could possibly stop a car or truck providing you got the correct shot placement.

Kien.... you dont like anyone elses ideas but your own.
Author:  OCAdam [ Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 pm ]
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Kien wrote:


Do you just hate about everything?
Author:  Industry [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:49 am ]
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if an AK-47 Existed in the archon universe, this is how i think it would fit.
orginal creator.Kalashnikov.(if i remeber correctly)
compony: WOT YA PACKIN GUN CORP.
Backstory: this anchent rifle made in the early days of human automatic rifles, the old AK-47 was
known for reliabilty,durabilty and almost never jams. its popularity among militas and third world armies had got it in a place the musiem of historircal weapons back on earth. very little genuine AK-47s exist and mostly found in history musiums.
when WOT YA PACKIN got ahold of thes rare and anchent rifles thay ran them through field tests and where amazed by the guns abilty to fire after being durg through mud and water.
WOT YA PACKIN desided to replicate the AK-47 and wher massed prouduced due to ther simplicty. its very popular among outworld mercenarys and militins(Sush as the HAND or the CURSE).
some outworld mercs like to customise the AK-47 to fire custom ammo or redisignd as a Carbine or an automatic shotgun.
Author:  Fat Zombie [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:25 am ]
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Well, if it were to be implemented into the BW mod, then surely it would need to have some interesting feature to make it more than just an assault rifle?

For example, the M16-alike M50 rifle not only has underslung grenade launcher, but a nifty placeable remote camera. There is a Desert Eagle-esque weapon, the M806, which comes complete with laser sight and alternative firemodes. (I'm no expert, but I don't think I've ever heard of a burst-firing Eagle).

So the AK would have to have two things: a name change (I suggest KF7, for nostalgic reasons), and some nifty feature.
(Thermal/NV scope? bayonet? Or even a rifle grenade-style one shot RPG round?)

But still, it's up to the developers, as always.
Author:  Kien [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:48 am ]
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OCAdam wrote:
Kien wrote:


Do you just hate about everything?

I often hate many non-original things that many others like. The ak-47 is among the ugliest and most over-popular weapon in existance. It feels like the ak47 and desert eagle became everyone's favorite weapon becaosue of playing cs.
Author:  Fat Zombie [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:59 am ]
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I'm not much of a fan of the Desert Eagle. I adored it when I first started playing, but then I discovered the P228. The Eagle is overkill, I think, too showy and ostentatious.

The AK, on the other hand, is alright. It's no FAMAS, though.
Author:  white_shadow [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:29 pm ]
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hi there.

saw this thread and decided to sign up. Personally I really like BW's approach of updating 'classic' weapons. A modded AK would probly make a nice alternative to the M50, but a legendary gun I'd really love to see would be a Mauser Broomhandle. Sadly I don't know a damn about modelling and such things, but maybe somebody feels inspired when reading 'bout this sexy, often over-looked gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_Broomhandle

Admittedly the thing is hotter without the shoulder stock.

Cheers!
Author:  Fat Zombie [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:35 pm ]
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Ah yes, the Mauser (Or Red 9, if you play Resi Evil 4). That, too, would be neat.

If we're requesting old-fashioned weaponry, then why not pick a classic like the Thompson 1928? The '28 version with drum magazine, of course, with the essential mobster charm.
Author:  SX [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:06 pm ]
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Ah the tommy gun, 50 rounds of fun in a drum.

AK-47 and it's family is probably the most overused gun i've seen since i was 6.

AKs- no

Famas- Yes
Author:  Grobut [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:43 pm ]
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Lets not forget that the M16/M4 is a 1950's design, it is only a few years younger than the AK design, they are both very old, the M16 design just looks newer than it really is (it was the 50's, people in the west wanted things to look like space rockets and stuff, even their guns, whereas the AK was just designed to work).

Dont let the name fool you either, the AK-47 is often misquoted as entering service in 1947, but it didn't, the prototype was ready in 1947, but it was first in 1949 it entered production, and it was not untill 1951 that it started to be handed out to troops, so really, that places it even clouser to the M16 as a 1950's weapon, beeing avalible only a few years prior to the AR-10 hitting the market.


Besides that, we are not talking about an AK-47 here, anything Runestorm would make would have to be a modernized version of the AK-103 or AK-74M if it is to make sense.
Author:  Treadhead [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:44 pm ]
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Hmm. The Mauser reminds me of a tiny luger with a giant stock on it. Wouldn't mind using it. Perhaps the ability to swing it by the stock like a club, with suitable melee blades underneath? Could make a nice Krome weapon....
Author:  OCAdam [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:53 pm ]
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Fat Zombie wrote:
So the AK would have to have two things: a name change (I suggest KF7, for nostalgic reasons), and some nifty feature.


Can't use KF-7, it was already done by Goldeneye under that name: KF-7 Soviet.

Okay, I kinda understand what you mean Kien, but seriously, what do you want for a gun? XM8 (if so, that'll I agree on wanting)?
Author:  Share_The_Pain [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:12 pm ]
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Kien wrote:
I often hate many non-original things that many others like. The ak-47 is among the ugliest and most over-popular weapon in existance. It feels like the ak47 and desert eagle became everyone's favorite weapon becaosue of playing cs.

I agree. While yes, the AK is a decent gun, it is far too overrated, and over used. There are only so many times you can play a fps with an AK and go "Oh, neat."

I don't think BW should go down the path of existent guns because then it would turn from a futuristic shooter to a fast-paced modern shooter. I think if BW feels the need to implement modern weapons, then instead it should use them more as base models, then modify this, add a [insert feature] here, take that away, and make a brand new gun with minor similarities to modern guns. Perhaps the closest they should go to modern weapons is like what they did to the revolver: add a laser dot on it.
Author:  Treadhead [ Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:48 pm ]
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Sorry to be contradictory, but, the whole point of this mod AND the story behind it is using futuristic, upgraded versions of modern weapons, as well as completely different ones, due to the obseletion (Relatively sure that is proper english) of energy weapons against the Skrith Empire. The energy guns in the mod are either Skrith tech, otherworldly tech or police weaponry.
Author:  Kien [ Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:43 am ]
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OCAdam wrote:
Okay, I kinda understand what you mean Kien, but seriously, what do you want for a gun? XM8 (if so, that'll I agree on wanting)?

XM8 is a very nice weapon. But for it to be in BW it would have some big changes. (a GL is not good enough.)
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