... and lots of changes!

http://beyondunreal.com/view_story.php?id=12466

and they also announced the achievements for UT3 steam.
http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?t=183348

even if you don't like achievements, you should see this. there are some achievements for things that are coming...

"Can't Be Trusted: Grab 200 points worth of betrayal pots.
Avenger: 20 successful retributions against a betrayer.
Bag of Bones: Deliver 50 skulls in one score in Greed against adept or higher skilled bots.
Skull Collector: Score 500 skulls in Greed.
Titanic: Become a titan 20 times.
Behemoth: Become a Behemoth 10 times.
Unholy: 10 kills with every Titan weapon in one Titan transformation.
The Slow Lane: Use the Slow Field power-up for over 10 minutes total.
Eradication: Get 100 kills with the Eradicator."

...
LET'S BEGIN THE SPECULATION!

That isn't just part of the patch. Apparently they are releasing an expansion pack called the Titan Pack.

yeah, the Titan pack. they said it is larger than any bonuspack they ever made...
will it be a paid expansion or free?
I'm curious about these achievements for being a Titan and a Behemoth. I wonder if these are some sort of our old friends from U1 or another thing.
I would love to see a Titan in UT3! I just fear if epic will put some extreme muscles in the poor animal though, like they did in the characters

Finally, looking forward to play UT3 again.

Good news, will it include new vehicles and maps ?

yay! I'm actually looking forward to whatever this offers. I wonder if they'll make some engine improvements. Decent dynamic lights would be nice..

Gonna be a real challenge trying to download it though..

I don't think the patch will, but I believe the "Titan Pack" will include. it will contain new gametypes, too.

Me and Bjossi have been discussing this a bit. We figure there's at least 2 gametypes here, Greed (which is probably very similar to the already made Greed Gametype for UT2004), and something to do with the Titan thing.

Greed shouldn't be too much of a surprise for what it holds, but the Titan stuff is what makes me wonder.

First off, there's the pretty common theory that maybe its like a cross between L4D and Invasion, where if you die, you become a monster of various sorts.

Problem with this theory, though, is that apparently there are several weapons for the Titan (me and Bjossi figure at least 3, given the achievement), which, if two or three, I could kinda see for a monster, but any more than that and it doesn't seem like you're a monster.

Also, why would you get an achievement for becoming a Titan 20 times, but you get an achievement for becoming a Behemoth only 10 times? Wouldn't it be the other way around, logically? Seems like it'd be harder to become a Titan then a Behemoth, so it sound like it'd require less for the Titan to get the achievement.

An alternate theory would be that the Titan gametype thingy is actually something like a Mutant or Juggernaut gametype. This seems to be a little more consistent with the Unholy achievement. Also, does anyone know if the entire achievements for the Titan pack has been disclosed?

Because if this is all (which I kinda doubt), then it seems like there isn't enough achievements for an invasion style gametype, but seem to be about right for a Mutant/Juggernaut gametype.

As for the Betrayal achievements, I suspect that's either a part of Greed or a part of the Titan thingy. It might be a new gametype, but I doubt it.

Also, the patch overhauls the UI! Woo!

And more support for mods is being made in the patch!

well, perhaps the Titan achievement is made to be harder than the Behemoth one.
but there is one thing that i don't understand... the patch changelog says "57 achievements mark your progress and mastery of UT."

It will come with the Titan pack then? because it would be just strange to have an achievement for a future thing.
perhaps it could mean that these gametypes would come in the patch, or that the patch will come with the TP.



heheh, at first time I thought that the betrayal achievement was for teamkilling your friends!

I'm curious if they'll included more vehicles for the Necris.

also, some guy posted the achievements pictures in the BU achievent discussion. but i don't know if they aren't fake.

but from the achievements, it means that there will be only 2-3 new gametypes... a bunch of weapons for the "Titan"... and probably some maps, possibly vehicles, and characters(perhaps the Skaarj will come back?).

one of these gametypes must be really large/creative to call this the "Titan Pack".

I just hope it resparks the series a bit.

Yeah, let's hope for that!
but BW to UT3 would ressurect UT3!

What do you think the Eradicator does?

I think it's a new Ion Cannon, but portable.

I imagine some sort of miscellaneous super weapon, perhaps of Necris design.

The name sounds like a superweapon.
and... what do you mean with "Ion cannon, but portable"? the Ion painter isn't just the same?

Oohhh, I like superweapons.


Though what I'm really looking forward to is the new UI. The original one is fairly terrible.

Ion Painter != Ion Cannon. The cannon itself has never been portable except in Mr Evil's weapon pack.

The Ion cannon is that turret in some maps that needs a small charging time to throw a ball of doom right?
The Ion Painter does almost the same... it needs to paint it's target to appear a ball of doom from the skies.

The painter does the targetting, the cannon does the killing, there is nothing similar about that. And as far as I know it was only in UT2 beta where the cannon needed to exist in the map, in UT2 any outdoor map supports it.

Thats sorta like saying lobbing a grenade and launching a grenade from a launcher are different. While one can typically launch it further, in the end you still have a grenade blowing stuff up.

Just a different vehicle for destruction.

Anyways, more discussion of patch, less trivial disagreement, please?

bah both are Ionic and spawn a huge purple explosion

maybe the eradicator is a vehicle?
THE ION TANK!

My geusses are:
3-7 new weapons
1-5 new vehicles
30-60 new maps
1-3 new gametypes
5-20 new Chars

!!!Singleplayer tournament mode!!!

When it comes to weapons and maps your expectations are unrealistic, I'd say.

I dont think so

the fact that it is SUBSTANTIALLY bigger means it has to have at least quite alot of maps. Considering the fact that they have released mappacks before with about 15-20 newuns. Plus UTk24 had about 20 more maps than UT3 in the stock release

And I think that the weapons arent unrealistic considering that not one single new weapon has made an appearence in UT3 so far. So they will surely try to increase interest in DM and CTF game modes.

I may be wrong, but I do not think my estimates are that bad. Maybe change the map estimate to 20-40 instead


and maybe weapons 2-4

(had a bit of a change of heart halfway through post)

Hell If you want Custom Shit for Ut3 Look At my Sig:

All Custom Vehicles
All Custom Weps
All Custom Maps

Work In Progress Strange Love Redeemer

Well, 20-40 and 2-4 are far more realistic imo. 3 weapons just seems like too much to expect from an expansion by Epic, they have never released custom weapons in a bonus pack before as far as I know.

Well, jeez, I completely forgot about your stuff since I got my new computer, will give it a thorough check.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty happy with my current weapon selection, and I really don't like vehicle combat. Who knows though? Maybe you got something that'll change my mind.

Still, what interests me most on the bonus pack+patch is the improved UI (big one there) and the new gametypes. Dunno if I'll like them, but I'm curious as to what they are.

Also Xav, Heres our TDM Server (Some Maps have Vehicles...)

Also You need to see our Scorcher..(Our Version of the Flamethrower)

I don't mind vehicles every now and then, but personally I prefer to fight on foot. Its just not very easy to do that when you got tanks running you over and stuff.

Ooh, cool! Where are the weapon downloads though? Are they part of the map downloads?

Yes..Hedsteem Its getting ready to relese Our Mega-Pack Along side of Epics Release.


Right Now They can be downloaded when you join.

Oh, ok. Cool!