Alright, this is when I step in and say the argument is over. It doesn't really matter who is right and who isn't on this subject right now. Further discussion can be taken elsewhere.
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| Author: | Tyster [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
A Microsoft CEO is talking about a new Microsoft product that is better than all the previous Microsoft products that you should pay Microsoft to use. Haven't seen that before. Personally, I think marketing would go a lot better if Microsoft called it OSY instead. This would leave room for OSZ, 2 or 3 years down the road, when we have some Microsoft CEO talking about some other Microsoft product that is better than all the previous Microsoft products. Now, if only Mandriva would allow me to install updated video drivers... http://news.zdnet.com/2422-13568_22-242 ... ag=nl.e550 |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
I have used Microsoft's operating systems since the Win95 days, and I can say that their products have always gotten better by the release . . . up until XP. I say that because Vista is something I have yet to try, let alone install on my system. I will either get Vista x64 or that upcoming Windows 7 for my next PC upgrade. I'm not gonna be like those people who are still using Win98SE today and think everything newer is the devil. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Well, some have their good reasons. I once worked as an intern at Hilite for an electrical engineer who uses a KVM to switch between the normal company PC with XP and an old machine with Win 98. He says that 98 is the latest Windows that has true DOS, which he uses very heavily. Being set in his roots and also being very well versed and efficient in such stuff, he can quickly automate any random data manipulation task that comes up, whereas a young whippersnapper like me would spend as much time waiting for Eclipse to start up as it would take for him to ge thte job done. Granted, he might be just as efficient using something with XP or Vista, but that would take time to learn and he's already fast as heck with the old system. |
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| Author: | Chavez [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Windows 7 IS Windows Vista. Or, should I say it the other way around? Windows Vista is a very early release of Windows 7. The thing is that Windows 7 took long in development, and at one point Microsoft has decided to release the work they had finished that far. This software goes under the name of Windows Vista. Hence the incredible amount of bugs in Vista, it's practically an unfinished operating system. Having that said, I will try Windows 7 when I have a higher end machine, when the first service pack is released, and when the game/software support is improved. |
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| Author: | cyberax [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Due to MY moderators smacking me over the knuckles, I have withdrawn all my posts. My appologies to Tyster for letting this thread get hijacked by myself and Chavez. Chavez, I have removed your posts as well, so this thread can continue in a proper fashion. If you still think it's unfair, feel free to complain to the moderators. You may continue with your viewpoint if you so wish, I have nothing further to say on the matter. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Great, now I've brought out the monsters in the pedantic RS fans. "I make this claim becasue I was told so by somebody" -- "I negate said claim becasue I was told so by somebody else". Anyways, I've used XP for several years and have rarely received the BSOD, except when overclocking -- never in the past year or so. It rarely mis-behaves for me. I have been using Vista for about a year and have never received a BSOD. Sometimes, it takes a while to configure an update upon boot-up and I hate the auto shut-down after updating, but my experience has shown that Vista is better than XP (for me), except for when it comes to heavy games, like Crysis/UT3/etc. I always find it funny when people lecture everyone about a "best" solution. If it does what you want it to do well enough for you and you don't feel adventerous to try something new, then good for you. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Alright, this is when I step in and say the argument is over. It doesn't really matter who is right and who isn't on this subject right now. Further discussion can be taken elsewhere.
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Tyster wrote: Anyways, I've used XP for several years and have rarely received the BSOD, except when overclocking -- never in the past year or so. It rarely mis-behaves for me. I have been using Vista for about a year and have never received a BSOD. Sometimes, it takes a while to configure an update upon boot-up and I hate the auto shut-down after updating, but my experience has shown that Vista is better than XP (for me), except for when it comes to heavy games, like Crysis/UT3/etc. I always find it funny when people lecture everyone about a "best" solution. If it does what you want it to do well enough for you and you don't feel adventerous to try something new, then good for you.
The increased system reqs. don't weight much because with proper optimizations the only thing you have to worry about is how much hard drive space it takes. For instance the OS can kill the GUI during the exec of full-screen apps. There are so many ways to achieve good looks and good performance; it just takes talented people like the programmers of Microsoft. You have pretty much infinite possible paths to reach the intended goal when it comes to programming, each with variable resource cost. I know this by experience after programming simple apps and games. I have a hangman game going where each word took 150+ lines of space to begin with, but in the end, with lots of thinking and theorizing, I managed to reduce 150+ lines to a single if statement rarely bigger than 2 lines if we don't count the curly brackets. And that highly optimized method has even more freedom than the bulky method I used earlier. (Xav, I'll tell you more on msn) |
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| Author: | Deathstorm [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
I just use windows for playing games, I wish MS would do what apple did with OS X & put windows ontop a linux core. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Are you trying implying that if Windows was based on an open source kernel, like Linux, then it would be very feasible for other operating system, like Suse or Ubuntu, to use that same kernel to run those games? That would be real slick and allow for easy portability, which is probably why MS is not doing that, |
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| Author: | RoyMustang [ Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
I know its supposed to be out within two years from now! its going to be released on January 10, 2010! |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
There is a project going on that is aiming at recreating the look and feel of Windows XP, except it that XP look-alike is open source. I have forgot the name of this project though. . . |
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| Author: | Chavez [ Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Bjossi wrote: There is a project going on that is aiming at recreating the look and feel of Windows XP, except it that XP look-alike is open source. I have forgot the name of this project though. . .
I have this website on my favorites list at work. I'll get back to you monday with this. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
So, speaking of excessive installation size, I hopped on my Vista Business x64 installation and noticed that my \Windows directory has a size of 19 GB. Assuming I did not install any programs into that directory, does that mean that the operating system alone is taking up that much space? If so, that sure does make "Damn Small Linux" look tiny. ... not that I have the right to complain, as I jsut went through the partition containing Vista and freed up 100GB of extra copies of the same thing and other random stuff I don't need. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
GUI and all the coding takes up lots of space, but I imagine most of those 19 GBs could have been avoided if MS hadn't tried to put lipstick on a pig. |
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| Author: | Chavez [ Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Bjossi wrote: GUI and all the coding takes up lots of space, but I imagine most of those 19 GBs could have been avoided if MS hadn't tried to put lipstick on a pig.
I nearly pissed my pants of laughter there. I couldn't have said it better. However, other factors that increase the size significantly are the extra functions (for example: encryption thingy, voice recognition, etc). |
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| Author: | Chavez [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
Chavez wrote: Bjossi wrote: There is a project going on that is aiming at recreating the look and feel of Windows XP, except it that XP look-alike is open source. I have forgot the name of this project though. . . I have this website on my favorites list at work. I'll get back to you monday with this. As promised, I have the link here: http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but it (generally) applies to your description. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 7...? |
That's the one, thanks for the link. 
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