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| Author: | Blade_{BZ} [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:19 pm ] |
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Just curious to know who you think should run the White house.(Obama or Mc cain) 1.State who. 2.Why, (why his plan is better, etc) 3. Anything else you like to add. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:39 pm ] |
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If i could vote (well, i'm Canadian), i'd vote Obama |
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| Author: | SX [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:13 pm ] |
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I'd vote fer McCain. He's pro-life, so am I. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:34 pm ] |
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How the ♥♥♥♥♥ is a almost dead dude pro life? Glad your not voting SX |
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| Author: | SX [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:43 pm ] |
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Yeah me too...
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:58 pm ] |
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Your utterly confusing me SX 
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| Author: | SX [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:34 pm ] |
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I'm 16, not allowed to vote. I hated both nominees anyways, I vote with Republican |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:43 pm ] |
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Really, i understand hating McCain, but Obama? |
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| Author: | SX [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:45 pm ] |
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ACORN? Bill Ayers? Reverend Wright? That's why I hate him. |
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| Author: | Blade_{BZ} [ Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:29 pm ] |
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I hope no know believe in that Obama is a "terrorist". It just make voters scared, and vote for the other guy. Obama is NOT Arab he is half black half white, his mother is white and his father is black.(look it up) If your one of those raciest, (which I doubt anyone here is) then just vote for the white half. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:00 am ] |
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It's a coin flip between McCain and some random 3rd party person. Well, It hardly matters. Bother McCain and Obama are promising the the government will magically take care of you, but Obama is taking that to the very extreme. With a wave of his magic wand, all of his grand promises that have no backing will come true and the government will provide for you and coddle you. Mainly, I am definately against the redistribution of wealth. Imagine Robin Hood, but on a national scale, and much less ethical, where the governement takes money from the good people that earn their money and give it to the poor jobless people, most of whom are worthless leeches to society, who do not have the will power to actually get a job, and who actually think that it is not they should not have to take responsibility for their own actions. Can anyone say communism? Why should I allow the government to take money that I work my ass off to earn and give it to some worthless slob who will just burn it on booze and crack, then complain about how the government is not supplying his needs. I've heard some intersting stories, like someone who spends all his money on building cars and then complains about how life is just so tough that he cannot afford basic needs, or someone who quit his job becasue he did not like his boss and has been collecting unemployment for two years, not having taken any action at all towards gettin a job. If such people get my money, then I would argue that America is long overdue for a revolution. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:11 am ] |
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SX wrote: ACORN? Bill Ayers? Reverend Wright?
That's why I hate him. You hate a president material because of 3rd parties? 
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| Author: | SX [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:31 am ] |
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They were associated with Obama. |
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:31 am ] |
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Well.... my best answer is if I was going to vote... no, f'it. I'm not voting. Either way, it's not going to help. *tosses a vote to a random Hawaiian who suddenly throws in their... whatever you throw in these days...* |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:37 pm ] |
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SX wrote: They were associated with Obama.
So? |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:51 pm ] |
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SX wrote: They were associated with Obama.
Wtf does Obama knowing a guy who was bad 50 years ago have to DO with anything. No offense SX, but your being pulled into the media and the republicans terrorize campaign, its the same bullshit with Bush and his 'we're all gonna ♥♥♥♥♥ die' shit after 9/11... freaking the populace out of their mind, the Republicans if don't realize are just using Cold War tactics to gain voters. Don't believe the shit you hear SX.. Obama is defiantly the best man for the job in years. |
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| Author: | SX [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:09 pm ] |
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Well, we'll see who wins on Nov. 4th. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:27 pm ] |
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Mr.UglyPants wrote: Wtf does Obama knowing a guy who was bad 50 years ago have to DO with anything.
No offense SX, but your being pulled into the media and the republicans terrorize campaign, its the same bullshit with Bush and his 'we're all gonna ♥♥♥♥♥ die' shit after 9/11... freaking the populace out of their mind, the Republicans if don't realize are just using Cold War tactics to gain voters. Don't believe the shit you hear SX.. Obama is defiantly the best man for the job in years. The first paragraph is exactly what I was thinking. Stuff like associations and popularity have absolutely nothing to do with the elections at all. You are voting for the guy who tickles your interest more from a personality, policies etc. viewpoints; not the one who is "associated with the right people" or the most popular one. But what is in Obama's policies that you agree with over McCain's? To me you seem to like Obama for the sole reason of the reps being negative in their strategy. Believe it or not, voting without having a clue what your favorite is actually fighting for can be dangerous for the country if the "worse" option gets the white house. |
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| Author: | SX [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:07 pm ] |
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Oh there is a few things I know about the nominees. McCain- Has supported expansion of the federal death penalty and limits on appeals. Obama- Supports death penalty for crimes for which the "community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage." As an Illinois lawmaker, he wrote a bill mandating videotaping of interrogations and confessions in capital cases and sought other changes in system that had produced wrongful convictions. |
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| Author: | Glosmostinex [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:18 pm ] |
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Bjossi wrote: Believe it or not, voting without having a clue what your favorite is actually fighting for can be dangerous for the country if the "worse" option gets the white house.
Not only for the USA, but a lot of countries too, since those coutries economies are normally linked with the USA. Since i'm not from USA, I don't vote. so americans, vote in who has the best plans. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:34 pm ] |
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SX wrote: Oh there is a few things I know about the nominees.
McCain- Has supported expansion of the federal death penalty and limits on appeals. Obama- Supports death penalty for crimes for which the "community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage." As an Illinois lawmaker, he wrote a bill mandating videotaping of interrogations and confessions in capital cases and sought other changes in system that had produced wrongful convictions. Seriously, Obama put that up... excellent stuff. |
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| Author: | Redshift [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:59 pm ] |
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Blade_{BZ} wrote: Just curious to know who you think should run the White house.
1.State who. 2.Why, (why his plan is better, etc) 3. Anything else you like to add. 1. Me. 2. Because I'm not apeshit crazy like the conservative and leftist fruitbaskets. 3. That is all! 
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| Author: | Industry [ Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:26 pm ] |
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Quote: Blade_{BZ} wrote ...
Just curious to know who you think should run the White house. 1.State who. 2.Why, (why his plan is better, etc) 3. Anything else you like to add. 1. toonces 2. he's a driving cat. when he wins the election, he will straghtin the world economy, provide reaserch into advanced technolgies for military and alternative fules. and make freeways much easier to drive on. better health care and medicins. ect ect ect. 3. im very serial about my disicion. 
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:56 am ] |
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I won't vote for McCain, mainly because Palin is running as Vice President, and I really have to wonder why. Her track record is far from spectacular (putting an Alaskan town into serious debt?!) and doesn't have much experience as a politician (city council and city mayor don't amount to much...). As far as spreading the wealth, there are several sides to this. Yes, you got the slackers who live off well fare and do nothing towards getting a job. You also have senior citizens who have very little income, and no jobs out there for them. And you got the CEO's that have so much money going to frivolous spending. Sure, its their money, they earned it, but its not exactly gonna hurt them if some of that goes to the people that truly have no viable source of income, like teenage mothers who made stupid mistakes, forcing to leave their children at home, or in the hands of others, while they're trying to make money for their family. There are people that should justly get aid, and there are many that shouldn't. Perhaps there really is no moral way of judging who deserves it and who doesn't, but just because someone is receiving well fare, does NOT mean they are a leech on society. So who am I voting for? I can't say for sure. They all say a lot of things and it always ends up nothing big changes. So my vote goes either to Obama or a random 3rd party. |
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| Author: | nofatties [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:28 am ] |
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I would vote for McCain. But Palin's mistakes are making me think of switching from McCain/Palin to Obama/Biden. I want to see who grabs New Jersey first. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:00 am ] |
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Does anyone see the rationalle to having her running as vice-President? As far as I can tell, its more or less politcal suicide. There must've been some reason for her, right? Maybe they chose her for the sole reason that she was a women, and figure'd there'd be votes coming her way because of it? If anyone knows the reason, please, share it, I honestly want to know. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:37 am ] |
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Captain Xavious wrote: I won't vote for McCain, mainly because Palin is running as Vice President, and I really have to wonder why. Her track record is far from spectacular (putting an Alaskan town into serious debt?!) and doesn't have much experience as a politician (city council and city mayor don't amount to much...).
As far as spreading the wealth, there are several sides to this. Yes, you got the slackers who live off well fare and do nothing towards getting a job. You also have senior citizens who have very little income, and no jobs out there for them. And you got the CEO's that have so much money going to frivolous spending. Sure, its their money, they earned it, but its not exactly gonna hurt them if some of that goes to the people that truly have no viable source of income, like teenage mothers who made stupid mistakes, forcing to leave their children at home, or in the hands of others, while they're trying to make money for their family. There are people that should justly get aid, and there are many that shouldn't. Perhaps there really is no moral way of judging who deserves it and who doesn't, but just because someone is receiving well fare, does NOT mean they are a leech on society. So who am I voting for? I can't say for sure. They all say a lot of things and it always ends up nothing big changes. So my vote goes either to Obama or a random 3rd party. Very good post, Xav. This is the kind of thinking everyone should do before going to the voting booth. I find it kind of amusing that both campaigns got experienced white guys, you can't really base your vote on lack of experience solely. Since I haven't done any research I can't say who I'd vote for, but from my point of view Obama is a more interesting guy. I mean... a black man with a middle name Hussein appearing on NBC's prime time schedule? He must be good. 
Plus McCain looks. . . old. As the saying goes, it is hard teaching an old dog new tricks. The only reason his administration looks any interesting to me is Palin. Although she lacks even more experience than Obama and has a fishy background, I think she would help greatly to keep the McCain administration "innovative" so to speak. Oh, and a 3rd party would be Ralph Nader, if I remember correctly. |
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| Author: | Redshift [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:02 pm ] |
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Captain Xavious wrote: Does anyone see the rationalle to having her running as vice-President? As far as I can tell, its more or less politcal suicide.
There must've been some reason for her, right? Maybe they chose her for the sole reason that she was a women, and figure'd there'd be votes coming her way because of it? Yeah, basically they're hoping to attract some bitter Hillary supporters, and maybe add a touch of (relative) youth and sexiness to their boring-ass campaign. |
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| Author: | Tyster [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:20 pm ] |
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Captain Xavious wrote: ... mainly because Palin is running as Vice President, and I really have to wonder why. Is the vice president candidate really worth much serious consideration enxt to the cabinet and president? It is my understanding the the vice president doesn't really do much unless the president dies. I have heard some quotes about vice presidents talking about how it is a job where you pretty much don't do anything big unless there's an assassination. If you have credible sources that confirm that the vice president really can impact the lives of the general population on a regular basis, then please share references to them. Captain Xavious wrote: Sure, its their money, they earned it, but its not exactly gonna hurt them if some of that goes to the people that truly have no viable source of income, like teenage mothers who made stupid mistakes, forcing to leave their children at home, or in the hands of others, while they're trying to make money for their family. "Darn, I knew I should not have engaged in certain activities with that guy and now I have to pay the price for my immeasurable stupidity. Oh, wait, good thing that the government will use other peoples' money to provide for me and cover for my errors." I see the morals you're getting at, Xav, and agree that in a Utopian world, those who have life stacked against them and have lived honest lives all the time deserve a break, but government filled with politicians who are more interested in votes than people will not be capable of implementing such a system properly. Captain Xavious wrote: There are people that should justly get aid, and there are many that shouldn't. Perhaps there really is no moral way of judging who deserves it and who doesn't, but just because someone is receiving well fare, does NOT mean they are a leech on society.
When I talked about people being leeches, I did not necessarily mean it in a deriding way. I simply meant a person who takes more from society than said person provides for society -- and not necessarily someone who receives welfare, food stamps, WIC, or any other government-induced financial aid. There are good people who are still leeches to society, even though they are doing everything possible to get an education and a job. Then again, there are also worthless people who stand around asking for money, but wouldn't even think about filling out a work application. Also, there are rich people who have ridden success to the top and now figured out some loop hole to be a very rich leech. On the flip side of the same coin, there are rich people who spend almost every day of their lives being productive citizens who earn every penny of their $100k/year salary, while there are other people who make little or no money (like stay-at-home parents who volunteer at libraries) and also spend a lot of time doing something productive for society. So, that's what I meant by a leech to society; not necessarily a bad or lazy person, just someone who is taking more from society than he/she is giving back, regardless of salary, gender, or any other factor of discrimination. I'd also like to add a general comment that I am very impressed that everyone is handling this with... maturity. After how the thread I started on Windows 7 turned so ugly so fast, i was sure that this thread would be heavily moderated and locked after a day, but you proved me wrong. Great job. Glad to see lots of thinking put into the ideas presented here. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:39 pm ] |
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Tyster wrote: Is the vice president candidate really worth much serious consideration enxt to the cabinet and president? It is my understanding the the vice president doesn't really do much unless the president dies. I have heard some quotes about vice presidents talking about how it is a job where you pretty much don't do anything big unless there's an assassination. If you have credible sources that confirm that the vice president really can impact the lives of the general population on a regular basis, then please share references to them. No, VP's don't seem to have a lot of influence for the most part, but they are still there, and they may have to take the place of President, regardless of how likely it is, and therefore, still holds some weight in my decision. And because my decision wasn't very clear initially, she is what moved my decision away from McCain. But I still think Cheney is the evil mastermind behind Bush's presidency. Clearly he's got some sort of evil magic, considering the guy he shot apologized to him for being shot. And he eats babies. Tyster wrote: "Darn, I knew I should not have engaged in certain activities with that guy and now I have to pay the price for my immeasurable stupidity. Oh, wait, good thing that the government will use other peoples' money to provide for me and cover for my errors."
You assume. Have you ever taken into consideration that perhaps it was not her choice? Maybe she had an abusive "boyfriend" and was too scared to say anything, embarrassed to ask for help. Perhaps she was simply taken advantage of, things gone wrong, a whole number of things that can happen to put someone into an unfortunate scenario. |
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