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Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Back to school season
Tis the season to be jolly nah, nah, nah na, na, na tis the season to be depressed nah nah nah na,na,na nevermind the fact is that, its now school season the worst season of them all if only we could fire a rpg into the wonderful place known as school we would all be happy but unfortunaly aquiring a rpg is quite tricky ;D
and i will be hunted by the fbi ;D but we all dream sooner or later that our school would spontaneously Explode into a fireball of rock and books ;D anyway any thoughts of this horrible season of depression ;D
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:06 pm ]
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I'm a bit bummed this season too. I didn't get hired back from the summer job I've been working the last 5 or 6 years so now I lack the money to go back to college. Sucks big time.
Author:  Bjossi [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:47 pm ]
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No college for me yet still. Next year there might be a big twist in my life and I want to put that as top priority.
Author:  {ABA}Worlock [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:17 pm ]
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What till you've been out of school for 30+ years
You ll wish that you where still in school.
No house payment, no feeding your family, none or small utility bill, maybe only one car payment, no need to have to come up with $4000. for each kids to get braces, and it gos on and on.
Your free time after your second job is helping your kids with there home work or a school function.
So keep your asses in school and do and learn as much as you can now and save as much money as you can.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:27 am ]
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Ah school, what a waste of time! :D

It's just a jail cell anyway, doing your time until you're let out.. ;)

The similarities between school and prison are striking, think about it.. You're forced in, you have yard time/recess, cell mates, wardens, bars, gates, violence, bullies, brainwashing, "projects", uniforms, searches, meal times, really whats the difference? :)

At least in prison you've put yourself there, in school you don't have a choice, and your childhood years are wasted on learning crap you'll never use or give a damn about.. :?

No to mention the "conditioning" that occurs. :P

School rocks!, yeah right... ::)

{ABA}Worlock wrote:
What till you've been out of school for 30+ years
You ll wish that you where still in school.
No house payment, no feeding your family, none or small utility bill, maybe only one car payment, no need to have to come up with $4000. for each kids to get braces, and it gos on and on.
Your free time after your second job is helping your kids with there home work or a school function.
So keep your asses in school and do and learn as much as you can now and save as much money as you can.


You've just described exactly what will happen later in life if you do stay in school.. :D

Although naturally, you will have some of these things no matter what, but school will teach you how to remain in debt trying to support your lifestyle which you've been told is acceptable by society and working like a slave, not how to avoid being a drone like everyone else... ;)

Some of the things you learn in school are obviously essential, but most of it's just crap. Yet most people need school, while others never learn anything no matter what..
Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:39 am ]
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{ABA}Worlock wrote:
So keep your asses in school and do and learn as much as you can now and save as much money as you can.


Education level has absolutely nothing to do with the expenses of life. If anything the well educated people tend to waste a lot more money than those who have lower paid jobs.

Learning for the sake of learning is a waste of time. Learning something you want to learn and work with in the future is rewarding. But ultimately you will be just fine with high school education, anything more is a mere bonus that is up to personal agenda to go after. If college was truly important then it would not be a privilege for the rich.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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Bjossi wrote:
Learning for the sake of learning is a waste of time.


I disagree with that 100%. My view on life is to learn as much as you can. I find enjoyment in the simple act of learning.

Its a cheap way to occupy yourself and it may prove practical later on in life. College and school are not the only ways to learn.

Is learning how to make a sword practical? No, but it gives you something to show from your life.

Is learning how to mod games practical? Not necessarily, but it brings fun and entertainment to many others.

Is learning how to make miniatures and miniature terrain practical? Hell no, but it sure is fun.

Bjossi wrote:
If college was truly important then it would not be a privilege for the rich.


Its not a privilege for the rich. I can afford a semester of community college by working two months minimum wage.
Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Back to school season
Captain Xavious wrote:
Bjossi wrote:
Learning for the sake of learning is a waste of time.


I disagree with that 100%. My view on life is to learn as much as you can. I find enjoyment in the simple act of learning.

Its a cheap way to occupy yourself and it may prove practical later on in life. College and school are not the only ways to learn.

Is learning how to make a sword practical? No, but it gives you something to show from your life.

Is learning how to mod games practical? Not necessarily, but it brings fun and entertainment to many others.

Is learning how to make miniatures and miniature terrain practical? Hell no, but it sure is fun.


I did cover this (Learning something you enjoy or find interest in is rewarding.), but you cut it out of the quote as if I never wrote it.

Learning for the sake of learning is learning something that does not interest you. In my opinion doing that is depressing and you could be learning something that you would actually enjoy, find interesting and/or work with it in adult life. The first school stages are notorious for this with their meaty core of enforced subjects, but to be fair that early in life it is healthy to pick up general knowledge in a broad range of subjects. It is when you grow older and your interests become more defined when you should focus on what interests you. I personally would find it more enjoyable and productive to learn C++ rather than learning about the mating habits of turtles.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:32 pm ]
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Learning for the sake of learning does not mean you don't like it. Learning for the sake of learning means you are learning it for no reason other than learning. It has nothing else attached to it on whether or not you like it. It doesn't have any clause stating you'll use it or not later down the road.

Besides, I keep an open mind on things. There isn't much I don't want to learn. Its just a matter of how much time I sink into it or not.
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:35 pm ]
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You guys are talking crazy talk. I'm agreeing with Worlock and Xav here.

I enjoy learning just for the sake of learning. Being more educated never hurts.

Also, at least in America, college is absolutely essential to earning money. A high school education alone will get you next to nothing. Good luck scavenging enough money to buy a house or car, (let alone raise a family!) without attending college. I've thoroughly enjoyed my time in the educational system, it's one of the main ways to meet friends and, you know, actually learn.
Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:49 pm ]
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Sgt. Kelly wrote:
I enjoy learning just for the sake of learning. Being more educated never hurts.


Yes, but what people want to do with their lives is entirely individual based. Life is just too short, you can't cover everything.
I want to focus on learning what I enjoy to get a nice job, and then just put school aside to focus on being with family and experiencing the world around me. I find that especially important since I will possibly go completely blind before I reach the higher years.
Author:  Kien [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:27 pm ]
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To learn for sake of learning:
To obtain knowledge being convinced that you will not have any use for it ever AND it does not even give you pleasure of obtaining this knowledge.

If you learn things because you gain pleasure from gaining knowledge then you are learning for a purpose besides sake of learning. Purpose of gaining pleausure, which is the end goal of all actions, weather it's for yourself or others. ...and the reason for giving others pleasure might be because that proccess gives yourself pleasure, so it might all be for yourself in the end. :)
Author:  {ABA}Worlock [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:42 pm ]
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Quote:
"Bjossi"

Education level has absolutely nothing to do with the expenses of life. If anything the well educated people tend to waste a lot more money than those who have lower paid jobs.

That a given.
People with money spend more money because thay have more disposable income.
people with out money struggle to pay the bills usually working long hour and live in cheep houses in bad neighborhoods and send there kids to bad schools and get a bad education.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:05 pm ]
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Makes sense to me.

By the way, Worlock, I just noticed you're from Michigan too. If you don't mind my asking, what part of the state are you from? I'm near the northwest area of the Lower Peninsula, on the shore of Lake Michigan.
Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:32 pm ]
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{ABA}Worlock wrote:
That a given.
People with money spend more money because thay have more disposable income.
people with out money struggle to pay the bills usually working long hour and live in cheep houses in bad neighborhoods and send there kids to bad schools and get a bad education.


Without money you would be homeless, or living as a leech on someone else.

And in these times you do not actually need to have money to spend it. That is what sparked the world economic crisis. From what I have seen, families with more income tend to build up more debt, while families with lower income are more careful. My family is not rich by any stretch of the word, but we are doing just fine, and so are families of my mother's siblings, where none of them went to college. And ironically enough many richer families that often made the headlines prior to 2008 are now completely bankrupt.

Not to stigmatize the rich people as being irresponsible in general or anything, I don't have any statistics to back that up.
Author:  {ABA}Worlock [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:27 pm ]
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In my city theirs 150 $1000.000 plus homes in foreclosure and about 2800 in the $200.000 to $300.000 rang that are in foreclosure, so the rich are fairing a bit better, their are 14 just in my neighborhood three on my street. Home values in my neighborhood rang between $1500.000 to 350s. Rich pepol lose their stuff from being stupid, use poorer people we lose every thing from the lose of jobs and the lack of a higher education, we have jobs like auto workers and the skilled trades (me)
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:34 pm ]
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That's definitely due to this rotten economy. It's taxing both rich and poor alike. :\ Rich people are losing jobs and massive amounts of money in both the plummeting stock market and housing market. In my neighborhood one couple just got evicted from a $1,000,000 house and there are three more million+ houses on sale in the low $700,000s.

Not even higher education can protect us from the excessively rich greedy b*stards who are the CEOs of banks and the like. Those guys are the ones who really sparked the economical crisis. Gotta love the wall street fat cats.

And Bjossi, that debt statement is not necessarily true. There's a big issue over here with poor folks racking up extreme credit card debt which some literally commit suicide to escape from. Debt does scale up with income though, but that's simply because the two are pretty much directly proportional.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:28 am ]
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{ABA}Worlock wrote:
Rich pepol lose their stuff from being stupid, use poorer people we lose every thing from the lose of jobs and the lack of a higher education, we have jobs like auto workers and the skilled trades (me)


I agree, the middle class, and under simply can't pay the bills anymore with their cents that stretched the grand canyon, they go from paying every cent toward just bills and food, to no food, until nothing, while those who do have enough money to make it, simply waste it on new cars, then bitch about the economy, meanwhile they stupidly bought things on credit, why use credit cards to buy average items!?... ::)

Obviously some people don't have money because they are stupid, and thats why they are in the lower classes..

I have much more to say, but that will only fuel this debate, people need to learn the skill of moderation, i mean in life, use things in moderation, do things in moderation, use common sense, I don't know why it's called "common" sense, because it's pretty rare.... ;)

You can argue this thing forever if you want, but no-one will be solely right, there simply are too many things to consider, you'll just be wasting your time... :)
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:05 am ]
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Moderation is the key for survival, but once you do have a fair bit of wealth you can sort of use moderation in moderation. If I was an excessively rich bastard I would not buy houses with 500 rooms and 20 expensive cars, sure I would buy a nice house but nothing that goes far beyond my needs. And no matter how rich one is, no one needs something like that (Take notes, Hollywood and Wall Street.).

But then again, what if excessive wealth would cloud my judgment? Did any of these rich bastards plan to become greedy and break the law and ethics to multiply an already astronomical number?
Author:  Black Eagle [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:22 am ]
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I think that's why they are rich, the greedy take and don't give back, you'll find those with less are more generous.. ;)

And i agree, i wouldn't buy stuff i don't need, you could do so much more with it.. :)
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:30 am ]
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Exactly, like saving up for things that you do need, or give excess money to charity or science research projects. Imagine the amount of money those would have if the big Hollywood actors and the Wall Street beings gave all their excess wealth instead of wasting it on mansions and other pointless crap.
Author:  DarkCarnivour [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:49 am ]
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You only live once. How is it going to make you happier to give your money to others or allow them to get as much as you? And why let them get anywhere when you have the power to take it from them? Its their fault for not playing as hard as you after all... What does feel good is to see how much better you are doing than others. AHAHAHA! Imagine the glory and power! You feel like such a big man when you can decide the fate of millions of people! To watch them struggling to make their petty little rent payments while you look over the fleet of luxury cars you don't drive and spend the annual income of hundreds on a gold toilet! They should actually feel proud, after all its their hard work that bought those cars.
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:55 am ]
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I bet the royal families in Europe and bank execs are laughing their asses off at the "working hard" part.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:27 pm ]
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Thats exactly what they are doing while they look over their luxury cars, and gold toilets, not to mention their gay cult wardrobe.. :D
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:06 pm ]
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if i had a choice to stay off school forever i wouldnt take it because yes i hate school but without it you wont have a nice job such as game developer or a decent job im like every kid i hate school but i know i have to go i think if it as prison to but i knowthat i will be out when im 20 and school does pay you it pays you with knowledge ;D
Author:  ShadowBlade [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:19 pm ]
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You don't have to be in school to learn what you need ;)

I left school early (primary school). School does not automatically = great knowledge and wisdom. You can learn as much or more outside of the walls of such a juvenile prison system :)
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:24 pm ]
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True, but school makes it much easier to learn imo, especially the highly advanced stuff. Good teachers can make all the difference.
Author:  DarkCarnivour [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:31 pm ]
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Bjossi wrote:
I bet the royal families in Europe and bank execs are laughing their asses off at the "working hard" part.

I didn't mean they worked hard. I meant the hard work of ordinary people is used to provide the elitists with their excessive frivolities...

As for school, I believe education is essential, but school is not. I personally am glad I didn't have to waste all my time in school having my imagination squashed while reading about rubbish that will never be used. I was not very good at maths in school and hated it, but it is essential in game dev. Once I left school and had to learn it to make games, it was great fun! :)
But, teaching yourself is not for everyone... School is a lot easier, especially if you don't really know what you want to do. They'll be happy to tell you what to do and all you got to do is obey, easy as pie! :) If you want a more certain future with as few difficulties as possible, absolutely stay in school and do it good. If you are a maverick and have to do your own thing, a much harder path is available.
Author:  {ABA}Worlock [ Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:36 pm ]
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And degree looks a lot better on a resume than I learned it on my own dose.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:53 am ]
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DC said it perfectly.. ;)

Hell I only had one year of schooling, and i've learned far more than I would have in school... But it's definitely not for everyone..

I enjoy learning and gaining as much knowledge as I can on all things, the school environment is certainly not conducive to such learning, you don't get a chance to learn what you want, thus learning becomes a chore, and you also lose the lively imagination that you might have been born with... :)

{ABA}Worlock wrote:
And degree looks a lot better on a resume than I learned it on my own dose.


Thats if you want to or need to work for someone else, it's harder to work for yourself but if you can scrape it, it's worth it... :D
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