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Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:39 pm ]
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http://www.cheathappens.com/article_blizzardbans.asp

Blizzard is banning people for using cheats and trainers on the single player game.

That is unexeptable. multiplayer, yeah, i can understand that, but single player? hell no! people are being locked out of game they legally own because they're using cheats on a game mode that doesn't effect anyone else! i'm joining the boycott against bilzzard!

Thats just absurd!

Some people have said "try not cheating -.-" and things along those lines, my reply is simple. People should be allowed to play the game how they like, at least on single player. They might not be up to "your standards" of gaming, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have fun does it?

Anyone with me?
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:17 pm ]
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Cheating on singleplayer definitely shouldn't be a bannable offense. You're buying the game for your own personal use and you should be able to play it however you like!
Author:  psy°chief [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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i agree, they can't just steal away a game mode that literally does nothing to effect others
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:11 pm ]
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im not the one for cheating but....
okay thats a lie

how can you ban people for cheating on single player
thats stupid if you BUY the game YOU should be able to Play it Enjoy it and even Mod it!

SCREW YOU GAME COMPANYS YOURE TAKING AWAY OUR FREEDOM!!!!

you even get locked out of campaign someone needs to sue the crap out of these weirdos
they've got our money so why should they care

there GOING to lose SO much money because of this they might even end up going bankrupt if they keep up this joke :angry-banghead:

i would personally sue these guys if i got banned for using cheats on singleplayer

im Definatly with you beta krogoth :handgestures-thumbupright:

starcraft 2 seemed like a nice game i was actually thinking of buyig it but now i dont even feel like it if there going to ban me for cheating
Author:  nofatties [ Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:38 pm ]
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That really does suck. Its single player.... come on Blizzard, take a chill pill. Dont turn into EA and make single player games (Battlefield series) cheat proof, that removes about a fifth of the fun.
Author:  Eat Uranium [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:01 am ]
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grizzlykiller wrote:
there GOING to lose SO much money because of this they might even end up going bankrupt if they keep up this joke :angry-banghead:


No they won't. They won't even notice a slight blip in their income.
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:41 am ]
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Eat Uranium wrote:
grizzlykiller wrote:
there GOING to lose SO much money because of this they might even end up going bankrupt if they keep up this joke :angry-banghead:


No they won't. They won't even notice a slight blip in their income.



And that is, by FAR, the saddest part in all of this.

And thanks for the support too :D
Author:  Black Eagle [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:48 am ]
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Ok, thats pretty stupid and insane on their part, what possible reason do they have for banning cheats on single player games?!... >:(

Bad idea blizzard, bad idea, although I don't search for cheats in games, this will drive A LOT of people away.... ::)
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:39 am ]
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Someone will make either a crack file or a trainer that will remove this ban and allow you to cheat as much as you want!
Author:  nofatties [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:31 am ]
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Yep...and then, you have to pay for it. Bad idea bunnies for blizzard.
Author:  Eat Uranium [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:17 pm ]
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Beta_krogoth wrote:
And thanks for the support too :D

Well, I'm technically boycotting lots of game companies atm by simple virtue of not buying any games :D

Only Valve, DICE and Tripwire Interactive and prehaps Obsidian Entertainment are likely to get any money out of me in the next year :)

I'm guessing you can guess which games I look forward to
Author:  Bjossi [ Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:24 pm ]
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Get on with the times guys, gamers no longer own or control the copy/license they buy, publishers do. Thank all the gamers out there who vote this crap over us all with their money.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:33 am ]
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Damn publishers have their fingers in everything these days, preventing many nice features from other games, and thats not cool!... >:(

Blizzard publish their own games however, and they clearly take the same approach, still this is the way business is done in order to survive in this world, that I don't like..... :)
Author:  DarkCarnivour [ Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:01 pm ]
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Woah, thats lame. I thought better of Blizzard. I don't bother with cheats, but it is wrong to deny people access to a product they paid for when they haven't harmed or affected anyone else.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:39 am ]
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Well said... :D

Blizzard has gone down a bit as a reasonable company in my eyes... :)
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:29 am ]
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I would say that the post-merger Activision/Blizzard company is almost as bad as EA Games as far as mega game companies go.

I just hope Valve doesn't turn out like them.
Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:14 pm ]
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A system like this can easily backfire as well if someone else has access to your computer/account and happens to like the game (like a sibling or a friend who comes over often). I had my Steam account banned because apparently someone had cheated online with it according to VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat system). I would have given my brother a big plate of knuckle sandwiches if this had meant I could not enjoy the games registered to that account at all anymore, but thankfully I am only banned from MP (worthless to me) and can't add new games to the account.
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:39 am ]
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What did he do to get you banned?
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:05 am ]
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I for one HATE steam it forces you to install it and it pops up all the time AND you have to register to it to play the games you bought!
normally you install a game enter the cd code and enjoy, not with steam you have to register to steam read a massive list of rules ad regulations then enter the cd code and enjoy :angry-banghead:
it should be OPTIONAL to install steam

Something that Literally Drives me mad is when game companys make games for only one console!
so you read up on that game and you like it but suddenly its only out for the xbox or ps3!
alan wake is a massive example they said it was going to be for the xbox 360 pc and ps3 but now its only for the xbox 360!!
and burnout paradise is annoying too, they brought out the ultimate box for the pc but then didnt make any dlc's for the pc again!
i was looking foward to big surf island but now i cant enjoy it because EA didnt even have the common courtisy to include the pc!!!! :angry-banghead:
it seems that pc games are becoming a thing of the past and i don't know why.
Author:  DarkCarnivour [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:06 pm ]
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In business (and most other things), people do whatever they can to get what they want. Big companies' decisions are based on what they think will make them the most money, they don't give a shit about you, they just want to get your cash. If you are a minority of the market, there are less products meant to be good for you. You got two choices: (a) follow the masses and make the changes you're told to or (b) support the developers that make things the way you like em and bother to make something intended for you.
Smaller developers are more likely to actually care about the games they make and the players that play them.
Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:03 pm ]
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Generally developers, big and small, do love and care about their work. Do not confuse publishing and development, they are two completely different stages of making a game. You pitch an idea to a publisher, if they like it they will fund the project, and as soon as a contract is signed you just made yourself the publisher's bitch. The publisher will control the flow of the project, set deadlines, decide on DRM, etc.

If you want a game but disagree with the publishing ethics behind it (like if it has nasty DRM), you can wait until it hits the bargain bin. At that point the retailer has lost interest in the game and will not buy another shipment from the publishers, and all your money will go to the retailer anyway. So you and the retailer win, while the publisher gets none of your green love.
Author:  ShadowBlade [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:43 am ]
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Well, many in-house, publisher, developers certainly don't seem like ones that really care about the game they are making :( That's all just publisher dictation..

Looking at CoD MW 2's budget. 75% of it went to marketing and that says it all..
Author:  Black Eagle [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:21 am ]
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Publishers are right up there on the "assholes that try to screw you" list, thats why steam is much better for the developer, but unfortunately worse for the customer.... >:(

Publishers take your excellent product, tell you to f**k it up, then take your profits and squander it on fancy chairs and intercom systems to chat to their buddies in the office about their last golf match, this is a common trait between all big business tycoons and monopolies.... :angry-cussing:

Then you the developers are left with a 'slightly' fuller purse and an empty feeling after working for months/years on a project that you originally loved..... :-\
Author:  DarkCarnivour [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:51 am ]
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Perhaps I did sound like I was condemning ALL larger companies, not quite what I meant. I still believe there are a few large developers that are not all about the money. I also cannot completely condemn all publishers, some of them are, in part, a necessary evil. Game development is still a business and someone needs to look out for the bottom line, but it seems that a lot of people have forgotten the game side of things. There certainly are a lot of people only interested in money and a lot of games made purely for this reason. CoD's dev vs marketing budget figures say quite a lot... (As if the game length didn't)
Author:  Black Eagle [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:35 pm ]
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Yes, like all things in this world, there are good things, and there are bad things, the bad is clearly more common... :)

And it's those good publishers and so on, that are the ones you need.... ;)
Author:  Eat Uranium [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:47 pm ]
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Well, you DO need some publisher types when making games. Without them, the developers will keep on adding more and more stuff, swallowing money and never reaching a finished product. You need someone there to give them some deadlines.

Unfortunatly, it seems that many game companies suffer from too many publisher types and not enough developers.
Author:  Bjossi [ Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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Eat Uranium wrote:
Without them, the developers will keep on adding more and more stuff, swallowing money and never reaching a finished product.


What the bloody hell makes you think that? These people are professionals, not kids on ADHD. Of course if an incompetent, indecisive moron has the final word on when stuff is done it will be tweaked to the infinity, George Broussard is a good example of this.

Publishers are necessary because they fund a project and handle manufacturing and publishing costs which only the absolute biggest developers could handle otherwise, as we are talking about millions of dollars for the typical blockbuster title. Many games get canceled or frozen because no publisher wants to pick them up or the developer is not willing to accept the conditions the publisher offers.
Author:  Black Eagle [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:53 am ]
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We'll have no problem sticking to our own deadlines, products have an end.... ;)

Publishers have their place, as annoying as it is... :D
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:33 am ]
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But we're all agreed that publishers are dicks?
Author:  Black Eagle [ Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:42 pm ]
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More or less... ;)
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