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is anyone else bothered by his sig?

ok, well in my theory its good, but must be used in such a way that makes the people happy, but the gov stilll has reform power. im not quite sure, how a country can go about this, because thers alwas gonna be part of a populance that dissagrees with its government.

Why be afraid of his sig? I don't think he is entirely serious. But, it does have a point. People are far too careless and irresponsible when it comes to having more children. Overpopulation is already straining the planet and the problem is not on the decline. If you want your children not to suffer a horrible future (worse than being nuked) have one or 2 instead of 10! In Africa, it is considered good to have as many as possible and some have 40 or more!
Either less children have to be born now or they are going to be killing each other later.

No one wants to touch the part of inheritance? $:-\$

Arguments against are inheritance causes an unfair start in life for people and it gives money and power to children who never earned it with work unlike their parents did who actually made the company/whatever made them rich. Creates dynasties comparable to nobles and monarchy which is often considered something horrible. It also makes makes exploit of people in countries with poor human rights like Asia.

i agree for the most part, but what i was trying to get at is that its not all bad for everyone. i mean growing up i had a great life. as did everyone around me...

...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not.

Sarge wrote:

...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not.

Your parents were probably very clever then. There are many who's parents were not as wise and as a result, they have suffered and the parents have suffered. I can't see how another hungry mouth can be a blessing for a 16 year old unemployed mother. How do you see it? Or what about a poverty stricken dude living in Calcutta who has so many children he lets them beg and steal on the streets? You can save yourself, your children and the people they will end up hurting and killing by just not having them when you are in a bad position.

@Kien: Whats with all the big questions these days?

In a communist state, the only people who have anything left when they die are the ruling elite and they invariably give it to their children to continue the dynasty. In capitalism, its pretty much the same.
I don't believe its a good idea to just hand over wealth and power to your children. It does not teach them the value of earning it and will very likely result in them being spoiled brats. Its not good for the children and I can't see how unleashing more rich worthless people is good for society in any way. Rich people that get handed everything on a platter don't appreciate anything and get no joy from life. On the other hand, many a fortune earned by someone has been frittered away and wasted by those that inherited it.
Perhaps if the kids are raised decently and have some ethics, their inheriting wealth might improve matters. In (a far out, idealistic) theory, if each generation had greater means life would be better in general. Wait, is that even possible?

@Kien: Whats with all the big questions these days?

Sarge wrote:

i agree for the most part, but what i was trying to get at is that its not all bad for everyone. i mean growing up i had a great life. as did everyone around me...

You lucky bastard!

I'd heard that those people exist, but I wasn't sure it was true!

In a way, I envy you, but in another (more theoretical) way I don't. Challenges are opportunities and I've been lucky enough to get a couple of those kind.

Sarge wrote:

...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not.

i know what you mean, i see italmost every day here in the states. but the worst thing id hae to sy is school buses, back in school i know that half of the 1st grade knew what sex, anything related to sex was. if they understood it, not sure but still they learned it from older kids, when i have kids someday, i will not let them ride those damn buses. for good reason.

Sarge wrote:

Uhm we had sex ed at kintergarden. Most of my age knew how human reproduced at like age 5.

Author:	Kien [ Tue May 17, 2011 4:08 pm ]
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I have little idea weather capitalism is good or not. Seems like americhans love it. Arguments I know for it is... it's effective and if you're rich you are likely to be rich long time and have power. I'm sure there are lots more. Arguments against are inheritance causes an unfair start in life for people and it gives money and power to children who never earned it with work unlike their parents did who actually made the company/whatever made them rich. Creates dynasties comparable to nobles and monarchy which is often considered something horrible. It also makes makes exploit of people in countries with poor human rights like Asia. I don't know much so I can't argue so don't ask me. I ask to know your arguments. Now present your arguments for an against.

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 5:32 pm ]
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I just had this argument with my old world studies teacher. and to sum it up, id have to say its good and bad, same with communism. it all depends on how its used, and what implementations it has. i mean like, do you have a capitalist gov, or is it just a capiptalist economy?. like china, it has a communistic gov, but a capitalistic economy. -Sarge

Author:	Blade sword [ Tue May 17, 2011 5:56 pm ]
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To add my response capitalism is a system that can fit people's mentality because I think there is no people who wants a system that isn't based around trade / exchanges and basically money. Also capitalism is good when you put some safeties in, that's where the socialism have some strengths here, there is a point when you have to avoid corporations to exploit people for only a bowl of rice / day; grant to people some protection and add enough infrastructures to deserve them. As for Asia china is a communist country with liberal economics so they have strong authority towards their people, but they leave corporations exploiting its people.

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Tue May 17, 2011 6:35 pm ]
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I believe if a person wants to make money for something he's good at, he should be able to. However, when someone comes to own a huge corporation without contributing significantly to it's development and still get millions for sitting around in a comfy office, they should start paying a larger portion of the taxes. I also think these obscenely wealthy CEOs should get more than a slap on the wrist for embezzling millions (as if they weren't rich enough) or sending world economies down the toilet.

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:02 pm ]
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is anyone else bothered by his sig?

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Author:	Captain Xavious [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:06 pm ]
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Yeah... I was talking to him about that.

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:06 pm ]
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really creeps me out......im a pro life kinda guy.....

Author:	Kien [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:07 pm ]
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I vote freedom of expression. I'm not hurting anyone, I'm suggesting what I think would be good for everyone. Reduction of suffering can't be called evil.

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:09 pm ]
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o i know that, i was just expressing how it made me feel, thats all. dont get offeded or anything, but i thinnk that by saying that not haveing children with stop the suffering and nuking the planet is highly evil. but thats just me >.>

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:16 pm ]
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see? look man all im, getting at is you seem like a very depressed person. at least thats just the way it sounds, i dont know so i cant say it as a fact.

Author:	{ABA}Worlock [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:18 pm ]
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Sarge wrote: is anyone else bothered by his sig? Yeah. Kind of a demented way to look at life.

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 9:42 pm ]
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i dont like judgeing peoples opinions but dude, life is no where near that bad. maybe, just mayve in some places. but not enough to have to nuke the planet.....

Author:	Sarge [ Tue May 17, 2011 11:10 pm ]
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ok, well in my theory its good, but must be used in such a way that makes the people happy, but the gov stilll has reform power. im not quite sure, how a country can go about this, because thers alwas gonna be part of a populance that dissagrees with its government.

Author:	Kien [ Tue May 17, 2011 11:14 pm ]
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Sarge wrote: ok, well in my theory its good, but must be used in such a way that makes the people happy, but the gov stilll has reform power. im not quite sure, how a country can go about this, because thers alwas gonna be part of a populance that dissagrees with its government. Some suggests government should shrink at get less power, so much to do little more but security fo the people called Night watchman state. I'm curious about that if it could be good. On the other hand maybe it would give more evil freedom for powerful people.

Author:	Sgt. Kelly [ Wed May 18, 2011 4:47 pm ]
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The United States has a very large tax called the Estate Tax. A huge percentage of inheritance is required to go to government. That's the US's 'alternative', if you want to call it that, to limiting inherited wealth. In short, it sucks. The money that your children might have pumped back into the economy by purchasing commercial goods is now going to get launched into the godforsaken desert by way of ballistic missile.

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Author:	Yokelassence3 [ Wed May 18, 2011 3:28 am ]
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Capitalism is good for the people who understand it and can use it to their advantage. Seemingly bad for those who miss out on such skills. But I cannot say whether or not it is a force of good or evil. Such a question to me, sounds like asking if nature is good or evil. The true colors of capitalism rest in the people who practice it, not so much the practice itself. In other words it is only as good or as evil as the capitalist makes it. We've seen Bill Gates use it for evil by monopolizing an industry and destroying the creative powers of his competition. And yet we've seen Bill do the complete opposite and use capitalism for good by giving his wealth to cancer research. So in short, I can see it being both good and evil...depending on how you manipulate it...

Author:	Black Eagle [ Wed May 18, 2011 3:43 am ]
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Good and evil are both sides of the same coin, everything is both good and evil... I say rest the coin on its edge..

Author:	DarkCarnivour [ Wed May 18, 2011 5:17 am ]
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Why be afraid of his sig? I don't think he is entirely serious. But, it does have a point. People are far too careless and irresponsible when it comes to having more children. Overpopulation is already straining the planet and the problem is not on the decline. If you want your children not to suffer a horrible future (worse than being nuked) have one or 2 instead of 10! In Africa, it is considered good to have as many as possible and some have 40 or more! Either less children have to be born now or they are going to be killing each other later. As for capitalism... Capitalism is the inescapable operating system of human beings. Everyone tries to make the best situation for themselves. Communism is just a bunch of capitalists in power depriving the commoners of the same rights. However, if we look at it at a different level, is it better to be in a capitalist system or socialist? I am 100% behind the idea that one should be rewarded for your effort and not be limited or deprived or prevented from achieving a better life for yourself. I am however against the idea of big evil corporations using their power to crush, exploit and enslave people like they do, because that deprives people of any fair opportunity or reward for their efforts. I guess until everyone can behave themselves and stop being evil, regulation will be needed. It would just be nice if the regulators were also not corrupt.

Author:	Blade sword [ Wed May 18, 2011 8:18 am ]
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The problem isn't people who wants to become rich to get a better life; that's certain, however some people achieve this by abusing of their power and exploit other people to reach their good life condition. When I talk about socialism it's pretty much about the state giving to people chances to not be in the misery and have a decent life even if they are poor. I mean having a home, something to wear and eat and get access to good health care whatever people's fortune is. I don't want to see people when they have a job, being homeless, having difficulties to have the minimum in therms of essential things.

Author:	Black Eagle [ Wed May 18, 2011 8:24 am ]
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It all comes down to the same thing, human beings are often horribly flawed and nasty, and until we universally learn to be decent and reasonable, the decent(and others) are going to suffer for the actions of the selfish that have more power...

Author:	Sarge [ Wed May 18, 2011 9:15 am ]
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DarkCarnivour wrote: Why be afraid of his sig? I don't think he is entirely serious. But, it does have a point. People are far too careless and irresponsible when it comes to having more children. Overpopulation is already straining the planet and the problem is not on the decline. If you want your children not to suffer a horrible future (worse than being nuked) have one or 2 instead of 10! In Africa, it is considered good to have as many as possible and some have 40 or more! Either less children have to be born now or they are going to be killing each other later. i agree for the most part, but what i was trying to get at is that its not all bad for everyone. i mean growing up i had a great life. as did everyone around me. its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not.

Author:	Kien [ Wed May 18, 2011 2:07 pm ]
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No one wants to touch the part of inheritance? $:-\$

Author:	DarkCarnivour [ Wed May 18, 2011 4:13 pm ]
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Kien wrote: No one wants to touch the part of inheritance? $:-\$ And with good reason! That one's impossible! Whats your answer to it? I'll take a tenuous stab at it... Kien wrote: Arguments against are inheritance causes an unfair start in life for people and it gives money and power to children who never earned it with work unlike their parents did who actually made the company/whatever made them rich. Creates dynasties comparable to nobles and monarchy which is often considered something horrible. It also makes makes exploit of people in countries with poor human rights like Asia. In a communist state, the only people who have anything left when they die are the ruling elite and they invariably give it to their children to continue the dynasty. In capitalism, its pretty much the same. I don't believe its a good idea to just hand over wealth and power to your children. It does not teach them the value of earning it and will very likely result in them being spoiled brats. Its not good for the children and I can't see how unleashing more rich worthless people is good for society in any way. Rich people that get handed everything on a platter don't appreciate anything and get no joy from life. On the other hand, many a fortune earned by someone has been frittered away and wasted by those that inherited it. Perhaps if the kids are raised decently and have some ethics, their inheriting wealth might improve matters. In (a far out, idealistic) theory, if each generation had greater means life would be better in general. Wait, is that even possible? I don't know if there is any ruling system that will solve the problems. The solution is people improving their integrity in general. How can any good come of a society of bad people fighting to exploit or control each other? Sarge wrote: i agree for the most part, but what i was trying to get at is that its not all bad for everyone. i mean growing up i had a great life. as did everyone around me... You lucky bastard! I'd heard that those people exist, but I wasn't sure it was true! In a way, I envy you, but in another (more theoretical) way I don't. Challenges are opportunities and I've been lucky enough to get a couple of those kind. Anyway... Sarge wrote: ...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not. Your parents were probably very clever then. There are many who's parents were not as wise and as a result, they have suffered and the parents have suffered. I can't see how another hungry mouth can be a blessing for a 16 year old unemployed mother. How do you see it? Or what about a poverty stricken dude living in Calcutta who has so many children he lets them beg and steal on the streets? You can save yourself, your children and the people they will end up hurting and killing by just not having them when you are in a bad position. @Kien: Whats with all the big questions these days?

Author:	Sgt. Kelly [ Wed May 18, 2011 4:19 pm ]
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DarkCarnivour wrote: Sarge wrote: ...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not. Your parents were probably very clever then. There are many who's parents were not as wise and as a result, they have suffered and the parents have suffered. I can't see how another hungry mouth can be a blessing for a 16 year old unemployed mother. How do you see it? Or what about a poverty stricken dude living in Calcutta who has so many children he lets them beg and steal on the streets? You can save yourself, your children and the people they will end up hurting and killing by just not having them when you are in a bad position. @Kien: Whats with all the big questions these days? There's a good question in "Why the heck is a 16 year old unemployed lady having children?" In the crowded Middle East, people have 15 children (Osama bin Laden had around 40 brothers) thinking that it's what Allah wants and that he will protect them all. It's just ridiculous. I agree with Sarge there and would say those unfit parents have just decided their child's fate.

Author:	Kien [ Wed May 18, 2011 4:39 pm ]
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DarkCarnivour wrote: In a communist state, the only people who have anything left when they die are the ruling elite and they invariably give it to their children to continue the dynasty. In capitalism, its pretty much the same. I don't believe its a good idea to just hand over wealth and power to your children. It does not teach them the value of earning it and will very likely result in them being spoiled brats. Its not good for the children and I can't see how unleashing more rich worthless people is good for society in any way. Rich people that get handed everything on a platter don't appreciate anything and get no joy from life. On the other hand, many a fortune earned by someone has been frittered away and wasted by those that inherited it. Perhaps if the kids are raised decently and have some ethics, their inheriting wealth might improve matters. In (a far out, idealistic) theory, if each generation had greater means life would be better in general. Wait, is that even possible? @Kien: Whats with all the big questions these days? Those for inheritance would like to say "the money is my property, why would I not be allowed to give it to anyone I want?". This is a sound argument. But freedom must be limited in order to keep a good society, so a special rule there is a good thing one may argue. It has such big effects on society when giving millions of dollars and ownership of big companies for free. It's slippery to rely on teaching them ethics I think. Easy to pretend you agree with what you have been told. When there's lots of powah or monay to win, lies are of little trouble way too often. I suggest putting a limit on the money the kids can inherit. It's gonna be arbitrary yes, but so are most solutions in life, there is no alternative. I just made a thread about capitalism. It's not a big thing. And it's only 1 question. You like capitalism or not? Please argue.

Author:	Sarge [ Wed May 18, 2011 9:20 pm ]
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DarkCarnivour wrote: Sarge wrote: i agree for the most part, but what i was trying to get at is that its not all bad for everyone. i mean growing up i had a great life. as did everyone around me... You lucky bastard! I'd heard that those people exist, but I wasn't sure it was true! In a way, I envy you, but in another (more theoretical) way I don't. Challenges are opportunities and I've been lucky enough to get a couple of those kind. well i have had it pretty good, i thank my parents for it. and i understand what you mean. iv had challanges hat iv brought apon myself, and i agree that there are opportunities. Anyway...[/quote] DarkCarnivour wrote: Sarge wrote: ...its up to the parents to decide if the child is gonna suffer or not. Your parents were probably very clever then. There are many who's parents were not as wise and as a result, they have suffered and the parents have suffered. I can't see how another hungry mouth can be a blessing for a 16 year old unemployed mother. How do you see it? Or what about a poverty stricken dude living in Calcutta who has so many children he lets them beg and steal on the streets? You can save yourself, your children and the people they will end up hurting and killing by just not having them when you are in a bad position. i know what you mean, i see italmost every day here in the states. but the worst thing id hae to sy is school buses, back in school i know that half of the 1st grade knew what sex, anything related to sex was. if they understood it, not sure but still they learned it from older kids, when i have kids someday, i will not let them ride those damn buses. for good reason.

Author:	Kien [ Wed May 18, 2011 9:29 pm ]
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Sarge wrote: i know what you mean, i see italmost every day here in the states. but the worst thing id hae to sy is school buses, back in school i know that half of the 1st grade knew what sex, anything related to sex was. if they understood it, not sure but still they learned it from older kids, when i have kids someday, i will not let them ride those damn buses. for good reason. Uhm we had sex ed at kintergarden. Most of my age knew how human reproduced at like age 5.

Author:	Sarge [ Wed May 18, 2011 9:34 pm ]
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Kien wrote: Sarge wrote: i know what you mean, i see italmost every day here in the states. but the worst thing id hae to sy is school buses, back in school i know that half of the 1st grade knew what sex, anything related to sex was. if they understood it, not sure but still they learned it from older kids, when i have kids someday, i will not let them ride those damn buses. for good reason. Uhm we had sex ed at kintergarden. Most of my age knew how human reproduced at like age 5. ell duh, not what i was getting at. im talking about whores, sex postions, porn. that shit, stuff normals kids shouldnt have to think about. edit, just wanted to apologiz for that terrible paragraphe its was terribly writen lol....