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Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
I had an idea a few days back of an armor which used nanites and a cpu as a armor.

the way it would work is infrared sensors which are small all over the body, and nanites which would reconstruct iron plates.

the cpu would detect where the gun was pointing and would detect which area the gun would shoot and disperse nanites to that area which would reconstruct iron plates in that area,

The nanites are very small so they would not be affected much by gravity because the air would be dense enough to give them some cushion, and they'd use the magnetic force of one and another to move.

You may think this is stupid, why would you need iron to be formed in that area why not have metal armor?

well the idea is, is that you dont need a big armor suit that will slow you down and unlike the crysis nanosuit, the suit wouldnt affect the user in any way, because if you used a nanosuit you'd get withdrawl symptoms to the adrenaline booster and the speed enhancers, and it can affect the human body Badly when you stop using it.

So it would not affect the body and would allow for maxium movement while still allowing for protection.

Also a great feature would be a nanite mega armor which would be able to form a MASSIVE suit of armor which would be all nanites, but im still for the idea of a small suit.

Also you may be wondering that it will be heavy due to the nanites being around the body, well no because all the nanites would be around the body stuck and the cpu would tell them where to go and they would travel lightening fast to that position.

so for instance if someone shot a bullet towards your head the nanites would form an increased layer around your head to stop the bullet, also they would be flexible while being strong so they would not damage you due to impact force,

So basically this allows for a light armor with the protection of a heavy armor.

I call it Nanite armor.

Ifv you do not know what a nanite is, its a VERY small robot you cant see a single one but you could see ALOT of them together.

About 50,000 nanites in one area would be as small as a pinhead.

I also once had an idea for a nanite gun but it had too many flaws with it, i believe nanite armor is much more cost effective, and this technology would be about 25 to 30 years in the future.

and if any nanites are damaged i believe that it could be possible to reconstuct nanites out of metallic objects using other nanites.

P.S you may be wondering what will power this nanite armor, well the power actually comes from the person its self, th human body produces more than 5 watts of power, that should be more than enough power to power at least half of them and the other power source would be friction, there would be a power mode that lets all the nanites shake, which isnt that noticeable for humans but will actually generate some power which will be stored in small areas around the body, so thats basically power and backup power.

i will go into more details about this idea if any questions are asked . ;D
Author:  Sarge [ Tue May 24, 2011 2:50 pm ]
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Sounds a bit like the Nanosuit from crysis. to me lol
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Tue May 24, 2011 3:11 pm ]
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Its not a bad idea, but there as many ways it could fail and many ways it could be countered.

1 quick thing: the nanites could not just form iron out of nothing, i'd assume that the nanites themselves would be the shield, so surely there'd be a limited supply of protection as each round blocked would take out some of the nanites. not really a problem unless the user in caught in a very long winded fight, but just something to think about.

Ok, so, just to verify, theres a CPU and nanites, the CPU detects incoming projectiles (using infra red yes?) and sends the nanites to block them from damaging the user? first thing, EMP. the armours completely useless if it gets EMP'd.

Second - cold barrel guns, they could potensially by pass your system completely. Could be defended against using some clever CPU system, but this is pushing the cost up VERY far.

Third - Non projectile weapons - Surely a napalm sprayer would ruin this armour in everyway, nanites would get ruined and the infra red sensors would go all crazy. what about lasers? they travel at the speed of light, you nanites would not be able to move in front of the beam in time and finally, explosives? i think the suit could deal with it, but might cause some hefty damage.

Fourth - I'd say the nanites are held up by a magnetic field because they would not just float of their own accord, thus, a magnetic field is needed! not a problem, unless of course of want to be remotely stealthy, this thing would be detectable from a mile away.

Also, i can assure you, a persons body could NOT power that many things, i thought a small nuclear generator or a large capacitor would have to do. This armour would consume a lot more than 5 watts of power, coming from someone who has done A level physics.

Although the idea is fun, nano composites and super materials forming light and flexible (and tough) armour plates held together by a mesh would be a lot more viable, cheaper and more effective.

Nice idea though! very interesting!
Author:  Sarge [ Tue May 24, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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Look up how the nano suit from crysis works. sounds like they got it down lol. but i always loved the idea of a nano suit. would be so sweet!
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue May 24, 2011 3:41 pm ]
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but its different from the nano suit as i said,

the nanosuit Affects the body making the person stronger and faster, my suit dosnt do that it gives for maxinum protection without being a big massive suit of armor.

@beta krogoth, yes, it would have alot of weaknesses but its still an idea in thinking ;D
i was thinking there could be a layer of magnetic nanites that didnt move but were flexible bonded to the armor so they used electro magnetism to move the other nanites.

and the emp could be a Big problem for the armor, it could destory the cpu and destroy all the nanites, thats what i thought when i was think about it.

but i'd suggest a Electro shield that could be sustained for a few seconds that would destabilise the emp enough to a point where it wouldnt do horrific damage to the suit.

although it would make the suit powerless for some time.

also about napalm, its simple the nanites when they arnt protecting go in 4 layers, the 1st layer is the magnetic layer, thast how the nanites move the 2nd layer is a kinda backup protection for incoming projectiles the suit dosnt detect while the 3rd and 4th layers move to the place where it needs more protection, well in napalm's case it wouldnt do anything, it'd just stay and they would absorb the heat.

Maybe the 4th layer would move to the head if the naplam posed a risk to the head.

and the suit would have infrared and a few metallic detectors, if the suit detects something resembling a barrel it will track it and see if it exhibits strange behaviour such as movement.

if it does it'll do what it'd do with any gun it'd put more protection in the area that the gun would fire.

in any case the suit has at least 4 types of detectors on board it has infrared, em scanners, heart beat detectors, and metallic Detection.
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Tue May 24, 2011 3:53 pm ]
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The napalm would destroy the nanites... and then burn the layers underneith... and then cook the person inside, thats the problem... you can't just make heat go away, its energy, it has to go somewhere!

And what about plastic guns? cold barrel plastic guns or even ceremic guns would still by pass the detection, or what about thrown projectiles? like a hand axe or a shurkin? - thats an awesome image regardless! nano suit vs ninja!

beams still pose a problem, but they will require metal to work so your "metallic detectors" (how they work, i do not know) would detect them fine.

Also, how well would the suit defend against heavy ordinace? power armours can usually take a heavy round to the chest and still function, how could this fair against a mortar? or a flak shell?
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue May 24, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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If such thing happens like a mortar the nanites are like a cushion they would absorb the bone breaking force but the rest of the force would knock you off your feet for sure, it would do with any armor.

In any case some nanites WILL get destroyed if you get hit with a explosive 50 cal or a tank round
thats why it would be possible to reconstruct nanites using other nanites if the right ingredints are found or its even possible to repair other nanites by using magnets in the suit to pick up the nanites and the other nanites could repair them.

And the nanites wouldnt catch fire at all so the nanites would probably get roasted a bit but not all of them will get damaged and who would just stand there and get roasted anyway ;D

and if it comes to a point where peope have seen your suit and redevelop new guns that arnt detected by the metallic detector the heart beat detector will catch them out anyway, they cant stop that but the suit can ;D

and shrunkens wont be able to penetrate the suit at all ;D
they'd just bounce off because of the density of the nanites and the absorbing power of them.

and an axe would be the same.

a single nanite wont be able to be damaged and fail by conventional weapons and if it does the other nanites will repair it.

laser weapons would be the exact same as napalm they'd be absorbed and wouldnt be able to burn, although if it was fired in the same spot it could burn through one layer but they'd have to be damn accurate.

and if they continuously fired in one spot all the nanites would go to that area.

P.S about your naplam if they fired petrol then set alight then the nanites would go ontop of eah other so that the fire had no oxygen. and it'd keep doing that if it got set alight again.
;D
Author:  TurdDrive [ Tue May 24, 2011 4:22 pm ]
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Plus, your forgeting the Biggest Factor,


The speed of a Bullet?

7.62×51mm = 850 m/s roughly

That means the 'Nanites' would have to be able to take the whole force of the bullet.

Nanites? are not Thick at all, a Bullet would have little resistance passing though multiple layers of these.

And even if they did stop the bullet.

Due to all the nanites being in the same area. The shock would kill the user as they would not be able to spread the Impact energy.

Edit,

IIRC,

Napalm uses its own OxidisingAgent,

Thus creating its own oxygen,

Thus covering it doest work.
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Tue May 24, 2011 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor
I wasn't thinking that the nanites would catch on fire, they'd melt down and sustain damage to their circuits causing them to fail, i think you severaly under estimate how powerful napalm would be... i think it would just burn straight through.

And turd drive has a good point, but i was assuming that the nanites could take a standard round...

And yes, lasers are extremely accurate. 100% accurate unless they have calibration errors.
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue May 24, 2011 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor
Well, you have me there then.

But every armor has its weaknesses, everything has a weakness and a strong point the whole point being that we shift the weakness to something silly that no one will expect, so really i and the rest of the world cant create something perfect i can only think of something thats effective and will work under certain conditions that normal things couldnt.

the stronger you make something the bigger the weakness is going to be, and i cant stop that.

My idea is that i have an armor that is as strong as a tank but is actually light but the weakness is going to be massive, thats uncontrollable.
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Tue May 24, 2011 6:18 pm ]
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I'd personally go for a giant powered exosuit. That way you're both strong and scary!

Though remember Grizz, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Hate to break it to you, but your nanite armor is going to have extreme difficulty stopping anything more powerful than a paintball. Your armor would have to ouput tens of thousands of Joules in order to stop a single pistol magazine.

Even if you have some sort of nuclear power plant on your back that will provide enough power to relocate microscopic iron particles, you would need quite a lot of microscopic iron to block even a 9mm. 7.62s and 5.56s would probably just rip through the generated armor and shred the poor person after a couple shots. :(
Author:  Sarge [ Tue May 24, 2011 10:42 pm ]
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Now if it were something like the nano suit.......then thatwould be a different story.....lol
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Tue May 24, 2011 11:14 pm ]
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I have another idea which i have actually mentioned on here a few times.

its called the Black shadow rifle or the nanite gun

Basically its a gun that fires Millions of nanites to one area which will completly disintergrate the person or object, the problem is, is that it isnt very effective when you waste lots of nanites

so this is how it works, you fire a bullet which is made out of nanites, when the bullet hits the person or object the nanites completly destroy that object as long as there alive and then die.

The black shadow rifle, will just be like any other gun except it will power the nanites inside the magazine using small veins of power coursing through the magazine, the power is made inside the gun
and when you fire the nanites dont become alive until they hit the person.

And they attack by using a shredding motion just zigzag-ing on the flesh or metal very fast

and that will cause the flesh to deteriate at a steady pace.

Thats the idea of the black shadow rifle.

I've wanted to make it a Lot of times but i was never good at modelling so i Just stopped but i do have a google sketch model of what i wanted it to look like.
Author:  Sarge [ Tue May 24, 2011 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
i like that idea =D
Author:  Yokelassence3 [ Wed May 25, 2011 6:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
Now your thinking! ;)

nanobots (by themselves) can't really do much to prevent traumatic impact without violating the physical laws of mass

But they can definitely to be used to wreck peoples shit!

Get a nanobot inside you with the right programming and it can do more damage than the most hostile biological virus in existence, they can be sprayed like any chemical weapon and start eating people alive from the inside. Only unlike ordinary viruses the robots can be programmed to not eat you or your allies.

I recall one sci-fi story envisioning nanobots being used in warfare as a horde of biting robotic mosquitos that inject you with neurotoxins. How would you stop that? HOW?

Plus lets not forget vonn-neumann machines!
Author:  Beta_krogoth [ Wed May 25, 2011 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
You stop it with a shield.... unprotected targets would be in deep shit, but a powered shield could just stop them in their tracks, in particular, one that can cause eletricial surges, hell, a power arour without a shield could overload itself with a pulse to take the nanabots out.

But thats a much better idea!
Author:  Sarge [ Wed May 25, 2011 9:11 am ]
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just thing tesla armor from fallout 3, nanos would be useless lol!
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Wed May 25, 2011 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
Ive tried to get the Black shadow rifle into Bw with no success because i suck at modelling but ive had that idea for ages and its always being my best one.

Thanks guys ;D

The nanobots would Basically shred the person until they ran out of power and died.

Which i would imagine as being VERY painful, And some armor may be impervious to the nanobots but then it would act like a normal bullet, but light or medium armor like kevlar would be shredded to bits and the person inside would be killed. ;D
Author:  Yokelassence3 [ Thu May 26, 2011 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nanite Armor and Black Shadow Rifle.
Beta_krogoth wrote:
You stop it with a shield.... unprotected targets would be in deep shit, but a powered shield could just stop them in their tracks, in particular, one that can cause eletricial surges, hell, a power arour without a shield could overload itself with a pulse to take the nanabots out.

But thats a much better idea!


Against mosquito sized objects, you are right. If we get down to the nanoscale though, one of those suckers is going to get under the armor somehow (then again a nanoparticle of toxins ain't going to do much damage either)

So the nano-rifle would end up being like a gas gun that sprays robo-viruses. The longer your exposure to the cloud of nano-bots means more can find its way to your body and more can poison you. The more time spent in the cloud = greater chance of sudden death but escaping the cloud might stop the effects. (nanobots may not be able to damage you indefinitely. They would run out of resources and get pooped out of the bloodstream eventually)
Author:  Sarge [ Thu May 26, 2011 8:48 am ]
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make the nanites run off of blood O_O
Author:  Grizzlykiller [ Thu May 26, 2011 5:27 pm ]
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Well, a little vote now,

Who thinks this gun should be in BW Raise your hand ;D

A picture of the Black shadow Rfle

Image

The yellow Bit on the side of the gun is actually A power center that power the nanites.

P.S sorry about the sucky Textures i will change them ;D
Author:  Sarge [ Thu May 26, 2011 8:00 pm ]
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beta stages?
Author:  nofatties [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:14 pm ]
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I like it.

"Oh crap the teachers coming!...CLOAK ENGAGED." :mrgreen:
Author:  Blade sword [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:24 am ]
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that black shadow rifle idea reminds me of the devastation laser rifle in therms of effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGQBfNV-mQs
some gameplay
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