But the thing that gets me is the pre-order price of $10 and it looks like there is only going to be one 10 level episode in the final version, with a planned 3 episode total. This means you are basically paying $1 a level.

But that might aswell be a biased opionion because you said it was like doom... And I dislike Doom... O_o

And I dislike Doom... O_o

Hmm, I heard about this a while back. I don't know, I can see how it might seem like it has some doom features, but it just doesn't really seem like it has the Doom things I want. The art style just looks too plain and where's the evil? Doom with robots? I liked the demons...
Still looks like it could be cool game.

That's terrible logic. How do you put a price on something that could be a game you enjoy for years? How much would you value each page in your favorite book? If it's something that you really enjoy and keep coming back to, how many copies of "BattleOps: War Figher" is it worth?
Will it give you more enjoyment than $10 worth of pizza?

[...] Why you little!
Ok, jokes aside, why don't you like Doom? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I honestly would like to know what is wrong with it.
This is because I do like Doom and have invested a lot in similar designs, so I am eager hear what could be wrong. I want to see if I am overlooking something obvious and someone who isn't biased towards Doom could have a useful perspective. So, let's have it!

[...] It could be the damn best 10 levels I ever played and totally worth $10. Or it could be a piece of crap better spent on a damn tasty pizza. I don't know. I personally think it will be great, and either way I will buy it when the pre-orders are available (May 25th btw). [...]

I might be wrong, but to my experience overpriced games (1$ for each level is probably slightly overpriced... xD) show that their producers just care for the money and not for the community.
And it might be the case that Wrack never really gets a solid community and ends up like SPORE or Paraworld (<- I doubt you ever heard of that awesome game lol), with the developers going bankrupt and the company being gobbled up by one of the giants of the branch. Then, a few years after you will probably find this game on a bargain table for 1$ as the video game store tries to make as much money off those copies that they invested money in they can't get back now because the game didn't sell well...

But this is just a worst-case scenario, it might aswell get a huge community! I mean, who knows?

I just doubt it attracts enough players from the Doom scene to get as well known as Doom itself.

So, I support Xavious' approach to value something - and games in particular - to how the money will be spent. Who would want to give money to rogues, even if they can produce an awesome game? If you'd know they engaged in drug affairs using your very money, I'm sure you wouldn't want to buy a game by them, no matter how awesome it is. (<- blatant example just for pointing out the argument)

[...] Er...what? I don't care what they do with my money, but considering this is a preorder I will be getting, its safe to assume the money will be put into developement of the game. I am only concerned that my money will be well spent on a quality product.

[...] @Baryonyx: Did you ever play Doom when it came out, or at least around the time? I can definitely see why you wouldn't want to play it now (I could never play a game now that was released 20 years ago that I didn't play then.. mostly)

That's the very question DC. Its $10 and there isn't a whole lot to it.

It's not your fault, or any Doom players fault, it's just that I dislike the style. I know, back then it was the most awesome available but nowadays I personally just find it ugly. No real 3D, pixelated, ... I'm just not into retro-gaming. That's all.

And keep in mind that I just state my opinion, I'm not saying that everyone should be the same opinion.

These days I like games with depth

Ok, I see. I guess it depends on how much of a risk $10 is to the individual person, especially when you know nothing about the product and it's a pre-order.

I suppose I'm just responding to the seemingly pervasive notion that games should all be $1 or something stupid. I don't want a world where everybody just makes $1 iphone games. I want people to make games that are worth $50.

What is this "depth" of which you speak? You surely can't mean depth in combat because few modern games have even the depth of Doom's combat.

[...] I suppose I'm just responding to the seemingly pervasive notion that games should all be $1 or something stupid. I don't want a world where everybody just makes $1 iphone games. I want people to make games that are worth $50.
[...]

Oh, that's good. I wouldn't really consider the pixelation and ancient engine part of what I think is Doom's style. I haven't played it with the original renderer in more than 10 years. I run it with a much more modern engine so it has proper controls and mouselook and a modern renderer. What I liked was the demonic and tech themes and the cool monsters and weapons. I liked that it isn't too serious and they put in things that would make a fun game instead of sticking to more realistic designs.
[...]

The thing is that due to the modern "free-stuff for all" - mentality a game that wants to be sold for 50$ got to offer A LOT.

45$/€ should be the absolute top if you aren't having some uber-revolutionary stuff of awesomeness in your game.

I have nothing against the design, but I demand a certain standard concerning graphics. Something looking like (the original) Doom is just too ugly and boring for me to watch or even play for long so I wouldn't want to analyse the style either...

What is this "depth" of which you speak? You surely can't mean depth in combat because few modern games have even the depth of Doom's combat.

I've been having a lot more fun dodging lightning bolts and firing away with my rocket launcher than I have popping out of cover to shoot terrorists in the Middle East.

No, the combat is fine, and as you say full of depth in it's mechanics, but the rest of the game isn't, it's about little more than constantly dodging and shooting enemies in level after level that don't REALLY change much, I just think the game would be better with more to it, like some puzzles, or maybe some sort of more varied mechanics outside of combat...

Think how much more depth Diablo has than Doom, Diablo has 4 wildly different acts, each changes a lot during it, the monsters change a lot, there are more choices, the maps are random, there are characters to hear stuff from, special bosses, crazy goings on(like the Cairn stones), and there are things to collect... That's what I consider depth, more than meets the eye within the first 2 levels of play...

Some sort of time to take in the more artistic and leisurely side of a game would be good...