then that are very fast grenades, that also explode on impact !?
. oh man! 
it is really a artillery that i have got in mind.
also don't mix it up with mortars.
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| Author: | MMM [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:53 am ] |
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i have based this idea on my M.P.C. thread. like the name says, it is a personal artillery. the weapon has a clip containing 3 projectiles. it has different types of projectiles. refires within 1,5 seconds. reloading in 2 seconds. primary fire: shoots off the projectile. alt fire: zoom special fire: change ammo type. ammo types: 1. high explosive (default 1 / MAX 2 clips) this is a projectile that explodes on impact, has a medium blast radius, deals 90 damage. 2. high velocity (default 2 / MAX 2 clips) this is a projectile with a charge added to its back that explodes after its fired, giving the projectile 100% extra speed. the projectile is a big sharp pin surrounded with a few smaller pins that fly around it in a spread. there is no blast radius. the big pin deals 100 damage, the small ones 20. 3. cluster bomb (MAX 1 clip) this is a projectile containing a load of small, high explosive, clusters. before impact the shell splits open and spreads the clusters over a big area. the shell contains 30 clusters, each cluster has a small blast radius and deals 20 damage when it explodes on impact. 4. napalm bomb (MAX 1 clip) a shell filled with napalm, cracks open on impact and leaves a wall of fire behind. ((5. toxic bomb (MAX 1 clip) a shell filled with toxic materials that mostly damages people and only slightly vehicles. on impact it leaves a toxic cloud behind.)) ((6. EMP bomb (MAX 1 clip) a projectile that releases a EMP burst on impact. as result of this EMP burst, vehicles that have been in the radius are useless for 10 seconds and lose 20% of their total health. on people it results with a blurry view for 2 seconds and 15 gamage.)) |
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| Author: | Grobut [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Sounds more like a grenade launcher than artillery. |
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| Author: | MMM [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
then that are very fast grenades, that also explode on impact !? . oh man! it is really a artillery that i have got in mind. also don't mix it up with mortars. |
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| Author: | MMM [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:20 am ] |
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i had something like this in mind. only changes needed on this picture: a bigger loop, a bit shorter construction, ammo clip on top and a scope at the side. [br][img width=600 height=327]../../files/public/1172682763_172_FT29849_pas_69.jpg[/img] |
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| Author: | Grobut [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
MMM wrote: then that are very fast grenades, that also explode on impact !?
. oh man! it is really a artillery that i have got in mind. also don't mix it up with mortars. Well from your initial description it sounded like grenades, grenades do explode on impact, and they do travel very fast and far (the humble 40mm grenade launcher will shoot 400 meters, an reach that range within a second, more modern 20mm grenades like the ones used in the OICW project go even faster and further). I have a hard time seeing the practical use of that thing though.. sounds like you could just as well add more ammo types to the G5 and get the same result, when it comes to delivering a payload at high velocity and light weight, the RPG is king, and even comes with zero recoil. Im not trying to be negative or anything, i honestly dont see what it would accomplish that an RPG could not do better. |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Hmm. . .I'm more interested in diverse ammo types for a grenade launcher or canister gun. But I really like that pic, and I'm all for a man-portable recoilless rifle for vehicle-slaughtering. |
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| Author: | MMM [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:45 pm ] |
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sorry guys, but this would have a very high velocity. more then 2 times the speed of the rpg projectile. it is not flying straight, but actually gravity effected. not guided, you'll need a little bit of skill to get a hit. but don't worry, you are firing high velocity projectiles. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:53 pm ] |
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That thing does indeed looks really cool. |
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| Author: | DK [ Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
If you can just put all those ammo into the G5... it would be much better... So many ammo-types... |
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| Author: | sgnl05 [ Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:13 am ] |
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This sounds a little similar to my man portable cannon idea. I'm still really fond of that, and I certainly like this too. About the picture, did you come up with that yourself, because it's a very nice design. |
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| Author: | Bulska [ Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
looks cool, but then to make it somewhat easyier to aim and sometimes harder to aim it would be a good idea to be able to choose how much firepower ur gonna give your shot, so you aim the same, but then the projectile lands further or closer. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
If I recall correctly, the Break-Open Grenade Launcher that is planned is fairly similar to this. It has multiple ammo types (probably) and gravity applied to the shell. |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:17 am ] |
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But a grenade launcher would have lower velocity than a shoulder-fired recoilless rifle. Anyways, multiple ammo types for BOGL/canister gun = good. Bizarre ammo for shoulder-fired recoilless rifle = just weird. |
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| Author: | Gordon Freeman [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:00 am ] |
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Well al that i can say is its a great pic and it would most likly be a good addition to BW as an upgraded G5 with some recoil added . The only thing is the ammo i would personnanly combine the high explosive and the high velocity shell into a single type . Instead of a custer shell i would add a fragmentation shell. And leave the toxic and EMP shell out . But thats totally my own opinion. Quote: Bizarre ammo for shoulder-fired recoilless rifle = just weird
Not neccecairly its just a little bit "not done" in most games that is . Their was one if i am correct in UT2 the awakening. 
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:03 am ] |
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DK wrote: If you can just put all those ammo into the G5... it would be much better... So many ammo-types...
The G5 would own too much. Oh yeah, your thinking on 1.72 G5, yeah, it would own too much with the G5 2.0 |
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| Author: | MMM [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:17 am ] |
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Quote: Ruex wrote... The only thing is the ammo i would personnaly combine the high explosive and the high velocity shell into a single type . well better not, because the high velocity projectile isn't explosive. it’s like the crossbow arrow from Half-Life 2 but a lot faster with a few smaller spikes flying around it and spreading out a bit. don't forget that it has no blast radius. Quote: Ruex wrote...
And leave the toxic and EMP shell out . your right, too many ammo types. |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Ruex wrote: Not neccecairly its just a little bit "not done" in most games that is .
Their was one if i am correct in UT2 the awakening. You mean U2? Yeah, that was a grenade launcher/canister gun thing. Not a recoilless rifle. And loads of ammo types for those are a good thing in my opinion. (Is it necessary to say things are your opinion? Shouldn't it be presumed that everything someone says is their opinion?) Anyways. . . |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Couldn't this idea be added to the BOGL? Maybe make you able to fire grenades at variable velocities? |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
This idea sounds more or less of what the BOGL would be. |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Maybe. . .Seems more like a high-velocity shoulder fired anti-vehicle weapon, while the grenade launcher would be more of a low-velocity anti-personel weapon with multiple ammunition types. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:35 am ] |
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How is a grenade launcher low velocity...? 
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Well, lower velocity than a recoilless rile. The m300(?) is still a bit unrealistically slow for a 40mm grenade launcher, but in most games a grenade launcher fires a fairly slow round. That doesn't necessarily have to be the way it is in BW, I personally prefer a fast-projectile grenade launcher e.g. Bf2. |
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| Author: | MMM [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
by the way, grenades aren't really aerodynamic. and what i have in mind has enough recoil to knock over a rather big man (like someone of 90 kilo). so in the game the person will be thrown back almost like with the AVRIL (but still be accurate). |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Captain Xavious wrote: How is a grenade launcher low velocity...?
It depends on how much force is used to launch the grenade. A hi-tech Grenade Launcher in BW style would simply make both launch force and ammo type configurable with special fire and alt. fire. |
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| Author: | Carsomyr [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
I would definetly approve of that. Oh, did you know you can hold down the secondary fire of the M50? It fires on release of the button, but holding it down doesn't currently do anything. Personally, I'd like it to increase the velocity of the grenade when it's fired with a charge bar like the UT2k4 assault rifle. |
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| Author: | Bjossi [ Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | PA (personal artillery) |
Yeah, that'd be sweet. I actually was under the illusion that holding down alt. fire would increase the velocity. |
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