Just wondering what everybody would like to see on such a thing in the doubtful event it's ever done

I say
2/3 fire rate of m50 (compared Ak-47's fire rate to m-16s)
less chaos and greater spread
20/24 round clip
half the range
higher damage
Under hand shotgun for alt fire
name "Kf7 Avenger"

why place a shotgun on an AK-47? For altfire make a bayonet to stab ppl

well both weapons (shotguns and the AK-47) are intended for close range and we alreddy have a bayoneted rifle

Maybe that could be special fire like the shotgun? It could be melee with the back of the gun?

"Kf7 Avenger"


RED FLAG!!!

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KF7 Speial - Goldeneye weapon, made by Rare

K7 Avenger - An experimental weapon designed by dataDyne, the K7 Avenger is an effective, powerful rifle but is let down by a small clip size. The primary fire has a high fire-rate, but care must be taken as it can only fire for a few seconds before the clip is emptied - there's nothing worse than having to reload with five dataDyne guards firing away at you. The secondary function uses a highly sophisticatd threat detector - it can pinpoint any sentry guns, active mines or proximity Dragons. This can enable the user to remove these threats without sustaining damage. Most of the dataDyne strike forces use this weapon.

All that does is bring the red flag of combining names for a gun... not good IMO.

the kf7 is an AK-74 under a presudonm

hmm

BHS 34
(Boom, Head, Shot)

ITF 67

In The Face

Green tracers. And I'm not too sure about less damage- in current real world miltary rounds, 7.6239 does less damage than the 5.56X45

...uh...no see a 5.56 will hit a person and often go through them. a 7.62 will hit a person go through them, and the guy behind them.

that and a 5.56 will put a hole in a persons head and a larger exit wound at the other side...the 7.62 tends to hit with enough impact to demolish a very large portion of a skull

this would be true if you were comparing hv to non hv rounds though but that would be unfair

You know so much about guns its scary Rayne.

almost.. i mean the calibre aint gonna deliver the power, unless its HV rounds.. a 9mm pistol for example, with calibre larger than M4, will not do as much damage, simply coz the rounds are so small, not enough powder packed in there

perhaps we'll make our IG28 some day..

No, you see, a 5.56 round fragments, creating a much larger permanent cavity in a body. Fragmentation is a very nasty thing. And, I'm comparing the military rounds here. Now, when you're comparing impact energy, then yeah, the 7.62X39 russian does have the advantage, but not with wound sizes in a torso. And, the 5.56 does plenty of headshot damage- just ask John Allen Muhammed and Le Boyd Malvo.

Isn't the IG28 that junk auto machine pistol you guys told us about a few months ago?

Are green tracers possible for this, though?

Why the heck would you want green tracers for a bullet?

The russians use them. Battlefields in Vietnam at night used to look like Star Wars because the US/Us-equipped Vietnamese used red tracers and the USSR-equipped Viet-Cong used green tracers.

okay.

May have been where they got the idea to use red and green blasters in Star Wars.

Possibly.

So when the russian guns fired, you saw green lines coming from there barrels even during the day, same with the US red lines?

Yeah, as much as you can see tracers during the day.

makes sence to have "team color" tracers so u can tell who not to shoot at or call in an arty strike on...

anyway the ak47 would be awesome in BW, if it is implemented it should definately have a high stopping power, not so much as our friendly neighbourhood fragmenting rounds but something that will knock someone out of their boots and possibly take out whoever is behind them

as far as my guns knowledge, i grew up in a military family, went military myself...got sick of it and now im on my way to being a cop

It should probably be based on the AK-74M, as that is the current Russian issue (the AK-100 series are just export versions of the 74M, if anyone was wondering..), basing it on anything else would be odd at best.

Green tracers are a great idea, count me in there! Ivan has used thouse since well before WWII, and continues to use them.

But i'd prefer it be kept very plain, an AK filled with all sorts of gizmo's and gadgets just seems.. so decadently western.. an AK should be like a tractor, a no thrills destroyer of lands!


As for the little debate about 5.56x45mm versus 7.62x39mm.. that was interesting during Vietnam, but today its 5.56x45mm versus 5.45x39mm, and quite frankly, the Russian 5.45 wins hands down when talking killing potential, infact the western nations have condemned Russia for using that nasty caliber since the 80's, the Muhajedeen who faced it during the Russia/Afghan war called it the "Poison bullet" because when it hits, it tumbles and fragments in very unpleasant ways, even more so than the NATO round, it is a very grim piece of work that one..

I really don't wanna get into a caliber discussionn hear, other than the 5.45 doesn't fragment, either.

[url=hyperlink url]http://www.btammolabs.com/fackler/ak74_wounding_potential.pdf[/url]

Hmm, point taken, after some more research, i found the killer, it will tumble after only 7cm of penetration (for the 5.56 NATO its 12cm), and tumbles fast, it will often manage 2 full rotations where others only do one before exit.

You know. . .A BW thing designed after the AK doesn't have to be 7.62. . .

You could always use hollow points or soft points, too

I'm a Russian myself and I can assure you that now our army uses AK-103, which are regular 7.62 guns. AK-103 is a way better deal than anything from the AK-74 series, it can also carry a number of upgrades including granade launchers and laser scopes, etc. etc.

Here are two linkies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-103 and http://www.ak-103.com/home.html

BTW, AK-103's 7.62 rounds have greater killing and stopping power than standard NATO 5.45 ones.

You should remember that 7.62 stands for a great many of different variants and modifications

If something like AK-103 could exist in BW, it would surely be technically advanced, though having a simple design. It also could use a laser scope, a grenade launcher, its damage should be higher than most assault rifles, but the accuracy should be lower (actual AKs have moderate accuracy, surpassed by most 5.45 NATO guns)

I would love to see some evidence of this, all other sources state that the current Russian issue is the AK-74M.
Izmash also states that their AK-100 series is for export only.

If the Russian army has really adopted the AK-103, then this is a new development, and one that doesen't make much sence.. why go back to a caliber that only has a 300 meter effective range, when the 5.45 has an effective range of 500 meters?

The AK-74 will easilly mount Cobra sights BTW, and the GP-25/30, not to mention Bayonet, the AK-74M is the version with plastic furniture and comes with a folding stock as standard (same as AK-101's).

Probably the most convincing evidence is the fact that AK-103 uses 7.62 mm rounds, and nobody in the West would buy something like that because the West loves 5.45 NATO rounds

AK-103 has been replacing AK-74 for some recent years, of course AK-74 is still in wide usage, though most military units engaged in counter-terroristic activities (e.g. in Chechenia) are mostly armed with AK-103 now. So that's the official Russian assault rifle now, and AK-74 is a bit outdated and to be replaced with it over the next five years.

As for the 7.62 calibre, I'd like to translate a short bit of a Wikipedia article on AK-103 written in Russian:

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Oh, 5.45 Russian rounds. you said NATO rounds (which, conveniently are 5.56)