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Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:08 pm ]
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I was watching a show called Future Weapons on TV yesterday and an interesting weapon was brought up.

The KRISS SMG. A fully automatic SMG with the ability to fire .45 pistol rounds with little to no recoil. It contains revolutionary new technology that forces the pressure from the bullet downwards, reducing recoil and muzzle climb.

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I think a weapon like this would be a perfect addition to the Ballistic Arsenal. Something between the XK2 and the M50 except without the recoil. :)

For the Ballistic version of it, instead of spawning with the weapon it would be in the group with the M50 and SRS-9000. The secondary function would be a laser sight to aid in aiming and the special function would be to extend the stock to increase accuracy.

Clip size would be around 20 to give it some balance and make it more of a tactical weapon. Dual Wielding this weapon would be loads of fun and a deadly tool in the hands of skilled players.

That EO Tech on the top would add a little twist to the current iron sights. Instead of just looking down the irons, the player can pinpoint the target's location with the sight's indicator.

I like this weapon and I would love to see something like this implemented into BW. :)
Author:  Raptorian [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:12 pm ]
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It looks like the crossbreed of the Assault Pistol and an XK2. Where can I get one?
Author:  Sgt. Kelly [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:55 pm ]
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I think its only in its prototype stages.

Looks like it'd be loads of fun to shoot, though.
Author:  Bjossi [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:09 pm ]
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I'd love to see this in BW, firing .45 in rapid fire will require pretty loud firing sound effects. 8)
Author:  Jerry [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:22 pm ]
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Yeh, it looks loud >=)
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:24 pm ]
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Looks just plain evil, at least in my opinion. I wouldn't want to fight against that thing. definatly if its being dual wielded.
Author:  Bjossi [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:40 pm ]
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When dual wielded I'd be more scared than of a minigun wielding maniac.
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:42 pm ]
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It'd be impossibly to hold two miniguns at the same time, though i know muts can do this without taking into account that the gun is HUGE.

Still, a heavy SMG, i like it. Hope it gets created. Would be cool.
Author:  Bjossi [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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This heavy SMG will have minimal recoil, so I'd think dual wielding it is very possible if you got strong enough hands.
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:50 pm ]
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Well our Terran forces are only trained if they have amazing strong hands, for you never know.
Author:  DK [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:15 pm ]
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But wait! Wouldn't a Heavy Submachine Gun be called... a Machine Gun...?
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:18 pm ]
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No, a Machine gun has lots of ammo and is quite large and can't fit in a holster.
Author:  DK [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:01 pm ]
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Well, then, it can also be called an Assault Rifle...
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:15 pm ]
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yeah, but its pretty damn small and compact.
Author:  Bjossi [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:32 pm ]
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I don't understand what the difference is between a SMG, machinegun and assault rifle.
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:36 pm ]
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Me either. Can some explain it. Or i can make up complet BS.
Author:  DK [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:39 pm ]
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Wiki is the 'site for you...
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:43 pm ]
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Oh fine, make it more trouble for me.
Author:  Bjossi [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:47 pm ]
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Mr.UglyPants wrote:
Oh fine, make it more trouble for me.


The wikipedia will make it easier for you, actually.
Author:  Deuxhero [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:42 am ]
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This weapon has my aproval, if not souly for the look of it.
Author:  Raptorian [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:35 am ]
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These are my definitions.


SMG: repeating weapon that can be wielded in one hand or two. Machinepistols are a close relative of them, but they lack a vertical foregrip, and often even a simple horizontal grip. Reloads with a clip.

Assault Rifle: Two handed repeating weapon, often with additional equipment attached, such as grenade launchers and scopes. Can be used with one hand to blind fire, and if needed can be dual wielded though not if you want to hit anything. Reloads with a clip.

Machineguns: heavy repeating weapons, they spit out .30 or .50 calibre rounds and are highly effective against troops and unarmoured targets. The weight and recoil of a machinegun means two hands are needed if you don't want the recoil to rip your arm off. Reloads with a belt of bullets, usually in the 100-200 round size.
Author:  Bjossi [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:39 am ]
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Thanks for the explanations!
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:39 pm ]
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Thanks a bunch, i understand it now.
Author:  OCAdam [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:03 pm ]
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Raptorian wrote:
These are my definitions.


SMG: repeating weapon that can be wielded in one hand or two. Machinepistols are a close relative of them, but they lack a vertical foregrip, and often even a simple horizontal grip. Reloads with a clip.

Assault Rifle: Two handed repeating weapon, often with additional equipment attached, such as grenade launchers and scopes. Can be used with one hand to blind fire, and if needed can be dual wielded though not if you want to hit anything. Reloads with a clip.

Machineguns: heavy repeating weapons, they spit out .30 or .50 calibre rounds and are highly effective against troops and unarmoured targets. The weight and recoil of a machinegun means two hands are needed if you don't want the recoil to rip your arm off (unless you are Rambo). Reloads with a belt of bullets, usually in the 100-200 round size.


Fixed.
Author:  Miracle Matter [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:12 pm ]
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The differences lie mostly in the rounds they fire.

SMGs and machine pistols are any automatic weapon that uses pistol rounds. Machine pistols usually only have single-shot and burst-fire modes and are often indistinguishable from regular pistols (though they sometimes sport an extended clip), whereas SMGs can go full-auto, are larger with bigger clips, and often have room for attachments.

Assault rifles are automatic rifles (that is, with grooved barrels) that fire rounds of an intermediate size, slightly smaller than standard rifle rounds. They are usually built with versatility in mind, and can fit many modular attachments including grenade launchers, scopes, flashlights, and shotguns. If a weapon uses full-size rifle rounds, it is called either a battle rifle (semiautomatic) or an autorifle (automatic). A carbine is a general rifle term for any rifle with a shorter barrel than the average for its class.

Machine guns are any automatic weapon that fires rounds of rifle size or larger, usually belt-fed (LMGs sometimes use drum magazines), almost always two-handed or mounted. Light, medium, and heavy machine guns are divided simply by the rounds they fire. Anything larger than .50cal is considered an autocannon.

Also, miniguns are belt-fed, multibarreled machine guns that use mid-size MG rounds (heavy ones are rotary cannons), with multiple machine gun chassis inside them to increase fire rate without increasing wear to any one part.
Author:  Carsomyr [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:28 pm ]
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Miracle nailed it.

Anyways, I really like the idea.
Author:  thetrunkmonkey [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:27 pm ]
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Raptorian wrote:
These are my definitions.


SMG: repeating weapon that can be wielded in one hand or two. Machinepistols are a close relative of them, but they lack a vertical foregrip, and often even a simple horizontal grip. Reloads with a clip.

Assault Rifle: Two handed repeating weapon, often with additional equipment attached, such as grenade launchers and scopes. Can be used with one hand to blind fire, and if needed can be dual wielded though not if you want to hit anything. Reloads with a clip.

Machineguns: heavy repeating weapons, they spit out .30 or .50 calibre rounds and are highly effective against troops and unarmoured targets. The weight and recoil of a machinegun means two hands are needed if you don't want the recoil to rip your arm off. Reloads with a belt of bullets, usually in the 100-200 round size.

dont forget assault rifles are the most accurate
Author:  DK [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:47 pm ]
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Excuse me, what?

Actually, accuracy solely depends on the user of the gun. Don't let Counterstrike fool you.

It's precision you're talking about.
Author:  Meatboy [ Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:29 pm ]
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The trunkmonkey is correct. The reason that militarys use the asslt rifle for line troops is that they are easier to train with and to learn to achive a killing hit with. SMgs and the like end up in the hands of speical forces more often because of the level of training needed to use the smg with leathel force. I have had the chance to use M-16/M-203 and MP-5s on full auto and the 16 is far easier to control. The MP-% gets real squirmy on full.


Also, a Heavy SMG would be just the thing.
Author:  thetrunkmonkey [ Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:39 am ]
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well smgs have a shorter range and are les accruate at
long ranges
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