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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Wed May 16, 2007 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
The concept of a high tech flamethrower that releases raw plasma is shaping up quite well on this forum and is sounding pretty good as a new addition to the "wide area dispersion" range of weapons. It so far can retain it's own uses and offers a new set of abilities not seen in the flamer or lightning gun. We have three ideas already that we would all like to see but I fear there can only be one when it comes to implimentation. So I wondered if we could perhaps combine these ideas and make it a team effort. First there is Bulska's Skrith Plasma Thrower which originally was very mich like the flamer but has been added into by other forum members It includes an energy cell backpack you can turn into a jetpack, Skrith architechture (but hopefully Cryon), possible slight seeking abilities. But the rest is unknown at this point Then there is datsylel's plasma thrower that comes with clever attention to realism datsylel wrote: This weapon would be kinda like the flamethrower, but with different visuals and a slightly different effect.
It would look like some kinde of big, blue-ish leafblower wich spouts out a bright, shining cloud of plasma with electric currents running down the tip of the barrel when fireing. As plasma is ionized (electrically charged) gas, the cloud could do electrical damage to especially vehicles, aside from the obvious damage gas hotter than the sun's surface would do to flesh and metal. Ofcourse, this weapon would need some kind shield with a visor, kinda like a big welding mask, to protect the user from the extreme heat. To be able to fire the thing without doing bigass selfdamage, the user would have to AIM the weapon first, limiting it's effectiveness. The weapon should be very bulky to house the ultra-compact fusion reactor, wich produces plasma out of Helium 3 (an isotope of the gas Helium), too. Therefore it'd make you run even slower than the railgun (but not too much). As plasma rapidly diperses into the surrounding air when not bound by a magnetic field and because of the extreme heat transfer caused by the contakt with increasingly large portions of surrounding mass this weapon would only have about 1/2 of the flamethrowers range. Secondary fire could be as follows: A high-power capacitator sends a current through the plasma, wich forces all the plasma in the fusion chamber out of the barrel. Effectively a plasma ball wich would disperse after going about three times as far as the plasma flame, costing as much as a whole Helium 3 canister of ammo and doing damage accordingly. Special function key could turn off the fusion process and make the weapon spray super cool liquid Helium 3 (wich crawls against surfaces and walls) of allmost 0 Kelvin, wich would have 1/3 of the plasma's range, and stay on the floor for a short amount of time, freezing anyone who stays long enough in it's area of effect or gets sprayed directly with it. And finaly there is Xavious's UTC plasma cannon with it's load of different abilities Alot of these idea's could be rolled into one awesome ultraplasma megathrower, wether it be Bulska's design + datsylel's physics + Xaviouses firemodes and features etc. Otherwise we can also consider freely adding two differnent plasma throwers, one for Terrans and one for Skrith, or simply vote for the best one of all. What are your thoughts on this? Of course this thread is directed towards the creators of the weapons; Bulska, CX and Datsylel. Its up to you guys. |
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| Author: | datsylel [ Thu May 17, 2007 2:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
I think it should be some kind of plasma leafblower thingy, with a heatshield/welding visor thingy to protect it's user from the heat. I also think it should have multiple stages of fusion and a charged (hold the trigger for more range), compressed ball of plasma for secondary. It should also "zap" it's targets a little, but not as much as the Lightning Gun. Special should iniate the fusion reaction. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Thu May 17, 2007 3:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
You can't forget Miracle Matter's Electro Plasma Cannon either. But actually, I was planning on making my gun.
Already got the basic designs thought out and started modeling out the butt of the gun (its actually pretty much done). My interpretation and Bulska's/Datstylel's interpretations are significantly different, and can't even come close to being considered the same type of weapon. I say I make my cannon and the other guys fight it out for the alien tech one.
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Thu May 17, 2007 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Well my opinion, if the thing has cannon at the end of its name, then it should lob the plasma fast and slow (depending on damage) with a fair sized damage radius. If it has a thrower in the name then it should be like a odd kind of flamethrower, but now with plasma. |
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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Thu May 17, 2007 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Captain Xavious wrote: You can't forget Miracle Matter's Electro Plasma Cannon either.
Miracle Matters "Tempest" struck me as a combination of Quakes BFG and the WoE Transdimentional disturber I did not think of it as the flamethrower styled weapon we have been discussing. Unless you are referring to another one of Miracles weapons, if so may we have links? So it seems Xavious is already set on his own plans. But you get the idea that if the other idea's cant be done they could still be used to further enhance the one that works. The option to make 2 weapons still remain. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Thu May 17, 2007 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Uh, flamethrower style weapon?
Mine is hardly that... In fact it's quite similar to the "Tempest". I thought you were just suggesting Plasma Weapons in general... |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Thu May 17, 2007 7:27 pm ] |
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Well maybe the plasma thrower should just be a close range weapon, shoots out plasma which burns and inflicts good damage, its a good up close weapon, if your able to keep the plasma hitting the guy and not hit the floor hit the guy then hit the floor, so kind of a odd shotgun/thrower weapon. |
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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Fri May 18, 2007 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Captain Xavious wrote: Uh, flamethrower style weapon?
![]() Mine is hardly that... In fact it's quite similar to the "Tempest". I thought you were just suggesting Plasma Weapons in general... Oh, I guess I misunderstood the function of your weapon. When you said you got the idea from Bulska's plasma thrower I thought your idea was along the same lines. But never mind. It is still a plasma weapon and yes this thread concerns the use of plasma weaponry as a whole. Then again the concept of a flamethrower is wide area dispersion. The HVC is hardly flamethrower styled but it still serves this function. The UTC shaped plasma cannon may also not be flamethrower styled but does it still disperse over wide areas? If so then we are on topic. Plasma weapons as they have been for gaming generations have always been short-medium range. Both the ut99 pulse rifle and the UT2 link gun are less than medium range weapons. Its likely our BW incarnation wont be that different. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Fri May 18, 2007 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Actually, I said I got thinking of my own interpretation of a plasma weapon after reading Bulska's weapon, not that I got the idea from him. This was actually an idea I had for a bit, its just that reading his thread sparked my inspiration to make a thread for it.
My plasma cannon does disperse plasma over a wide area, but in a different manner than the HVC and the flamer. While those have a constant spray of energy, mine is more like a rocket launcher or assault rifle for spread damage, either small, weaker rapid fire shots or big, splash damage shots. Any way you look at it, it does do a heck of a job spreading plasma, it's just wildly different from the HVC or flamer's methods.
I never really knew plasma weapons were generally medium-short ranged guns, seems kinda varied to me. In Doom for example, the plasma rifle was great for distant targets. Likewise for the reincarnation of it in Doom 3. Also the plasma-like weapons in Serious Sam 1 and 2 were more oriented towards longer ranged targets. But nonetheless, my cannon would be usable at varying ranges, though further ranges would pretty much be reserved for slow moving targets. So I guess you can say it'd still be a shorter range oriented gun. |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sat May 19, 2007 7:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Captain Xavious wrote: But nonetheless, my cannon would be usable at varying ranges, though further ranges would pretty much be reserved for slow moving targets. So I guess you can say it'd still be a shorter range oriented gun.
Or dumb enemies. |
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| Author: | SX [ Sat May 19, 2007 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Hey! i have a plasma weapon too you know. |
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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Sat May 19, 2007 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
You do? Please continue... |
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| Author: | SX [ Sat May 19, 2007 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
The link... http://www.runestorm.za.net/pl/forum/fo ... .php?35043 |
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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Sat May 19, 2007 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
You are a bit short on information on that weapon. Can you tell us more? |
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| Author: | SX [ Sun May 20, 2007 7:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Well it was supposed to be a plasma ball cannon firing deadly plasma balls and the special was a deadly beam that can take out vehicles and whatnot... |
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| Author: | Mr.UglyPants [ Sun May 20, 2007 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
Storm X wrote:
Its good, just not great, at least when you compare it to the other well thought out plasma weapon systems here. |
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| Author: | Yokelassence [ Sun May 20, 2007 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plasma Throwers, what are our options? |
I think the issue is that it is that we already have a weapon that fires projectiles of that description: the Skrith weapons. |
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