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Author:  Yokelassence [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Commotion appears to have gone down around here so heres a fresh thought of the top of my head, just for the sake of posting

Questions you may ask are in BOLD

[size=14px]Name: [/size]
The "Feinryen"

Where do you get these names from? They naturaly come with the idea itself, im not kidding. Feinryen simply appeared in my mind.

[size=14px]History: [/size]
Cant think of a history for now, other than the fact this weapon is designed to bridge the gap between the lightweight .50 portable machine gun and the monsterous 3600 rpm minigun

[size=14px]Basic Description: [/size]
Tis' a minigun! It is a lighter solution to the deployable rotary cannon. It fits into the machine gun category. It is nothing like the current minigun but has a little more edge over the generic machine gun

What does it have that the current machine guns dont? To make it a little more seperate and not a clone this minigun also does more than spam bullets. It can also launch a special variety of grenade. These grenades can be lobbed traditionally or launched using a railgun capacitor

[size=14px]About the ammunition: [/size]

As mentioned above the feinryen has two ammo types. First there is the fragmentation rounds, courtesy of the triple barrel rotary cannon. Then there is a second barrel below that is attached to a railgun capacitor and is designed to launch grenades.

How do you use the railgun? When the minigun is undeployed and under your armpits the rail barrel cannot be used, it is simply not as safe as a dedicated railgun. There is a failsafe that triggers each time you pull up the stock that turns off the capacitor. You can still launch the grenades but they only perform like every other grenade: they go up....then down

When you deploy the minigun, the rail barrel activates and can be used to launch the grenades

So if it has a railgun, is there a backpack? Nope :) This railgun is much smaller than older, more powerful varieties and the power supply has been compressed so it fits nicely into the weapons chassis. There is a cost however: the gun is bigger and heavier

[size=14px]Primary fire: [/size]

Fires a constant stream of fragmentation bullets, the fire rate is fixed at 300 rpm. Auto, burst and semi-auto modes are available

These bullets travel slower than conventional rounds but create a tiny explosion when hitting a solid surface

Is there a backback for the bullets too? There is a 100 round clip to the rear of the gun but no backpack, the minigun does not eat bullets fast enough to require that much ammo. It also needs to be easier to lug around than the current minigun.

The XMV-800 fires 5.56 rounds and does heaps of damage, this thing fires frag rounds! Isnt that way too much damage? The XMV also fires at 3600RPM to do that kind of damage, the Feinryen with its 3 barrels and smaller sized motor can only do 300RPM. It still cannot beat the XMV

Just how heavy is this thing going to be anyway? Surprisingly less that what you think, many parts of the weapon are made of lightweight alloys but still heavy none the less. It is lighter than the current minigun, but heavier than the M290

[size=14px]Secondary fire:[/size]

When undeployed: Lobs rail-grenades

These grenades are small and have less payload than the M900 but have the added advantage of being useable as rail slugs

Can the current railgun use these? No, incompatable shape

When deployed: Fires a grenade as a rail slug, unlike the current railgun the grenade explodes upon impact and does not travel through walls.

The shot also needs to be charged up manually first, at minimum charge the grenade is lobbed. At medium charge the grenade is a very fast rocket, at maximum charge it is hitscan.

Charging takes about 6 seconds to reach max

Wouldnt a grenade traveling at the speed of light trigger a massive multi-gigaton explosion? We dont need to be that realistic.

[size=14px]Special ability: [/size]

Deploy the stock! As usual the deployed minigun is more accurate, no chaos but is also stationary.

I am again running short of time so I will stop here, I can discuss this more later

I know how we can make this cooler! Your ideas are welcome, please share.
Author:  SX [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Well done.

Feinryen is a very strange name.
Author:  P_Colossus [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:00 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Maybe Convert it to a Skrich weapon, primary fires their blue plasma or whatever it is and when deployed rail gun ammo, and maybe remove grenade launcher. That just my thoughts.
Author:  Kaboodles [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:44 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
I really think one rotary cannon is enough. The Minigun should be unique in its multi-barreled, rotary goodness.
Author:  Kien [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:19 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Sorry but I'm very fastidious. 3 powerful guns in 1 isn't something that attracts me. The idea of a 3-barreled slower-than-minigun gun is interesting but I would prefer it to shoot something else than bullets then to make it unique. 3 mini rockets or something.

I don't like the idea of more railguns sorry. :/ The idea that it can only be used when deployed is nice though.

I see no fun in adding a grenade launcher to it.

You have the right to hate me.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
This sounds pretty cool, though the railgun/grenade launcher seems a bit awkward.

Perhaps when deployed, instead of working like a railgun, it works like a mass driver for the grenade launcher; using the powder charge and electro magnets to help propel it further, so that you can still use the grenade launcher at ranges while in a fixed position.

I think maybe when deployed, alt fire you hold it in and a charge bar shows up. The higher the charge, the further the grenade will go. To explain this logically, you are charging the capacitors, and when there is more electricity discharged from the caps when firing, there is more velocity added to the grenade from the mass driver.

Just an idea.

Also, another thing I'd like to point out, is that the XMV only uses 5.56mm rounds. If this was to spit out .50 cal rounds, that'd be doing some massive damage.
Author:  Bjossi [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:03 am ]
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Kien wrote:
but I would prefer it to shoot something else than bullets then to make it unique. 3 mini rockets or something.


Nah, let's allow the rocket launchers to keep their job. If you find the standard bullets uninteresting, one could always spice it up by using the imagination. Like bullets are fired by something that emits a blue muzzleflash, and the bullet could have unique properties.
Author:  Kaboodles [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Fragmentation bullets? On impact with something hard, it shatters into many fragments that damage surrounding peoples. Should be very dangerous against grouped enemies.
Author:  Kien [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:29 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Kaboodles wrote:
Fragmentation bullets? On impact with something hard, it shatters into many fragments that damage surrounding peoples. Should be very dangerous against grouped enemies.

Must be big bullets and the fragments must be slow enough to be visible or else they're just like mini rockets with no explosion.
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Kaboodles wrote:
Fragmentation bullets? On impact with something hard, it shatters into many fragments that damage surrounding peoples. Should be very dangerous against grouped enemies.


That sounds pretty awesome. Lots of tiny explosions going on everywhere, i like it.
Author:  Yokelassence [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Colossus: I would like to see a skrith machine gun too, but I really think the skrith should have a far more unique heavy weapon of such. Machine guns are too human and so is the Feinryen.

Kien: I like you, I need a good challenge. See what you think after my latest revision

Kaboodles: You raised a good idea, the thought of fragmentation rounds sounds superb and fits into the concept of the Fienryen well. (You see I want to Feinryen to be the ultimate Rambo rifle) It would also keep bullet spamming to the machine guns. While the Fienryen would be for heavier uses

Xavious: Rememeber this minigun has NOTHING on the XMV. It has a smaller compact motor and only 3 barrels. It cannot dish out bullets nearly as fast.

The maximum speed is 300RPM - 350RPM, compare this to the XMV's 3600RPM and you will see the current minigun is still unique. The heavier rounds only make up for the lack of speed

I also like your idea about the secondary fire, instead of firing a rail it fires the grenade at super fast speeds. This would split it further away from the railgun (since the lack of a thermal scope was not enough for you guys)

Im updating my weapon to reflect everyones idea, see what you think.
Author:  Captain Xavious [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
I like the changes. 8)

Pretty awesome stuff. :)
Author:  shifty [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:59 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
how about for the grenades the are multi-burst grenades once it hits sumthing or get in close proximity of an enemy the shell explodes dispencing more smaller round which then explode ether a normal explosion or shrapnel explosion (i think shrapnel would b better.. but thts jus me) sorta like a portable SOD..(any one tht play ace combat will know wat i mean)
Author:  LtCLifff [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
I think it should be a minigun that can't be mounted and fires rounds at about 1500rpm. The recoil should be less than the XMV but more than the two machineguns. Sort of a hybrid.

It should also have a mounted sheild which can be used with secondary. it should function like the sheild gun

If you ever played time splitters future perfect... That is what i imagine it to look like
Author:  Yokelassence [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Well that is some good thinking there shifty. That sounds like a MIRV grenade, something that is currently missing from BW. I dont see much sence it reserving such a device for the Feinryen but that would be a great standalone hand grenade. You should write more about it.

I have been accused of having much too sophisticated ideas in the past and thats why I want to keep the grenades just standard for now.

As for Clifffs comment Im not sure having a 1500rpm fire rate and no stock is a good idea. That may make it a short range weapon and I want it to be a medium range support weapon. The machine guns already serve in long range support while the XMV already serves in short range support.

You are on the right track however, this is meant to be a hybrid between the machineguns and the minigun

Thats why I chose 300rpm but with powerful frag rounds. Thats slow enough to be a machinegun but the firepower keeps it essentailly a minigun.

Someone else already thought of a machine gun with a shield attachment.

And I have not played time splitters, can you give me a screenshot?
Author:  shifty [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:48 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
i was think of this as having a massive damage radius so i dont think jus a grenade would cut it perhaps if it was the alt fire to a weapons like the g5.
here is a link to a video that has a multi-burts weapon exept this one if dropped by a plane(its the first one on the video (from 00:00 to 00:13)

(EDIT) i forgot to put the link in....im a smart 1 aint i...
neway here the link
Author:  Bulska [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:22 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Making this a skrith gun could work.

But then it shoots fat blue lasers out of each barrel while spinning. A slowershooting but stronger each hit laser minigun ^^

Then you can make it get overheating, you need to cool it down like lighting gun. Then you can also say that it doesn't have to reload, like the lighting gun :P
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Yeah, making it a Skrith one would do wonders. Then again, by this time in the Skrith vs Terran war, I'd think that the Skrith would have chosen stealth (which we've been told many times), like the Skrith rifle is only used cause its a leftover from the previous war.

So what I'm getting at is that this could only fit into the whole Archon universe if it was either a leftover from the previous war (with Skrith not caring for stealth and just slaughtering anyone) or a weapon made by a joint Skrith - Cryon effort.

I think it being a joint effort would make more sense. And having grenades of sorts could still work on this model, with them being say a type of 'explosive slug' thats launched from underneath the gun (or above) the gun.

And because we know that Skrith like reloading from the top (Skrith rifle) and not from bottom (almost all human bullet weapons past the first world war/2nd world war (M1 Gerand)), so it could either have the primary ammo (not the slugs) loaded as a larger version of the old Skrith Rifle ammo, or they could have taken an idea from the humans having sort of belt feed way in dual drums, but having two (maybe 3) ammo clips loaded (1 top, and 1 on right and left) and this would give it power.

I dunno, just rolling with the idea.
Author:  Yokelassence [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
You guys really think it should be Skrith?

Very well, I will make it Skrith tech, but before I do, I could use some more ideas

-The Skrith rifle is already a powerful machine gun so the Feinryen needs to have its differences to normal Skrith weapons.

-What do Skrith grenades look and behave like?

-Miniguns just scream out "Terran!". What would the Skrith have instead?

-Railguns may also be too human if im not mistaken, what would the Skrith have instead?

My current ideas are as follows:

-Primary fire can be an explosive rapid hitscan attack similar to the stinger from Unreal.

-Secondary grenade can be a superheated high density plasma torpedo.

The railgun can be replaced with a Skrith equivalent. Im thinking of a velocity supercharger that works by manipulating gravity in the gun barrel and creating a very steep gravity well from the barrel to the target. The grenade follows the well at incredible speed.

-There is no ammo clip to the back, it now has a coiled energy battery located to the top of the gun closer to the main cannon.

-Overall the gun is smaller

Your comments please
Author:  shifty [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
perhaps the skirth nades could be all spikey and stab into people then detonate or stick to walls and explode when people get to close. maybe a plasma fusion explosion 5 times hotter than the sun...~quick get some marshmellows~....~and a pair of sunnies~
Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:15 am ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Yokelassence wrote:
-Miniguns just scream out "Terran!". What would the Skrith have instead?


Yep. I can't really say anything for this start sounding like that Skrith cannon someone thought up (i think it was your idea Yoke).

Yokelassence wrote:
-Railguns may also be too human if im not mistaken, what would the Skrith have instead?[/b]


Yes, that whole concept of railguns is way too human, how about something like a compressed gas chamber that shoots out the grenade (and prims them b4 firing).

Yokelassence wrote:
My current ideas are as follows:

-Primary fire can be an explosive rapid hitscan attack similar to the stinger from Unreal.
-Secondary grenade can be a superheated high density plasma torpedo.

-There is no ammo clip to the back, it now has a coiled energy battery located to the top of the gun closer to the main cannon.
-Overall the gun is smaller


Plasma torpedo eh? That'd be neat to see.

So no ammo clip? Then how does reloading work, is it regenerative (regenerate)?

P.S. I still can't wait for RS to bust out a Skrith and Terran portable cannons as weapons (even if it is in the UT3 version), now that will be sickness.
Author:  Yokelassence [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  MG-3311 "Feinryen"
Reloading would work just like it does for the skrith rifle.

Coiled energy battery goes out, coiled energy battery goes in.

OK, for the main cannon I thought of a long glass tube full of conduits about the same size as the main cannon is now, this tube attaches to a normal skrith rifle on one end and has some sort of gryo on the other end,

The battery fires normal skrith projectiles through this tube, the projectiles hit the spinning gyro and get converted into a hitscan beam that flies off in a random direction. The logic begind this is unknown, but wierd physics defying machanics is what makes alien tech truly "alien"

I wont bother explaining this miraculous method of manupulating energy, I will just say "The aliens figured it out"

A spiky grenade reminds me of Mr.U's Blue Burner.
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