Depends if you invented a new caliber
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| Author: | SX [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:09 pm ] |
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X-C22 Heavy Sub Machine Gun Company: Hyperions Primary: Fires an heavy 7.76 Snub cartridge round at a medium ROF. Damage- Around 30 per shot. Alt: Fold stock, Increases mobility but increases chaos and recoil. Special: Melee. Damage: 30 Clip: 25 Story: After the death of SX, his fourth son AKA: Nightshade took over the Hyperions weapon Co. and his first weapon was the X-C22 Heavy SMG. Using a 7.76 MM Snub cartridge, this gun can damage people heavily if the user concentrates his sights on his target. A folding stock was also introduced to increase mobility if the use is in a dire strait, but shouldn't be used in full auto because as Nightshade said: "Damn thing kicks like a gazelle." Ironically, many UTC troopers gave the SMG the nickname "Gazelle" Because it eats ammo fast. Death Messages: SX unloaded his clip into Xan's chest. SX popped Xan's grape with a well placed 7.76 shot. Xan lost his knees due to the X-C22 H-SMG. SX crunched Xan's cojones into ooze. Special: SX decided to cave in Xan's chest cavity. Xan got a free dentist appointment from SX's gun butt. Xan's knees were turned into twisted limbs by SX. SX made Xan scream like a little girl.[br][img width=484 height=369]../../files/public/1236046184_304_FT0_killzonesmg1fu2.jpg[/img] |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:33 pm ] |
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8 damage? That's incredibly low. I'd suggest 30-40. For melee a more balanced number would be 20-30. I see a grenade launcher on there too. Why isn't it usable? |
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| Author: | Sargeant Smash [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:43 pm ] |
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thats not a grenade launcher, thats the clip. This sub gun is a copy of the russian one based off the ak-47. Still its an interesting idea, But if you can fit 55 rounds of 7.76 into a mag like that... WOW |
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| Author: | SX [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:50 pm ] |
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They are snubs. But I edited them anyways. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:39 pm ] |
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Oh nevermind. It's set up like the PP-19 Bizon. |
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| Author: | Kranren [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:03 am ] |
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I'm not picking up on how this is a weapon mechanically distinct from the Fifty-9... |
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| Author: | nofatties [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:15 am ] |
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Killzone 2 weapon conversions to BW? Awesome. I like the idea. |
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| Author: | Sargeant Smash [ Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:36 pm ] |
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See that neat little tube on the bottom Kranren, Thats the clip. The entire system of opertion is different ( im assuming the fifty-9 is a blowback action) Where this is a gas piston system similar to the Ak-47 (The designer of the PP-19 Bizon is the son of the man who invented the ak) The one in the pic is just a videogame redition of this http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm submachine gun. |
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:18 pm ] |
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That clip could be potentially one of those hylical clips that Calico patented back in the.... 80's, 90's? 50 bullets would be possible in there easy. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:18 pm ] |
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This gun's magazine is a helical magazine. It's almost an exact duplicate of the PP-19. But these rounds would have to be extremely short in order to fit. The current guns with helical mags use pistol rounds, which are commonly about 19mm in length. Your 7.76 ones sound like rifle rounds. |
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| Author: | SX [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:13 pm ] |
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They are snubs. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:12 pm ] |
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Yes, I am rather aware of that... So then how is this short, oddly caliber'd bullet a 'heavy' cartridge? Something this small would be light and have little recoil. |
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| Author: | SX [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:36 pm ] |
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It still contains some of the power in the big bullet, but it does lose some accuracy. |
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| Author: | Sargeant Smash [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:47 pm ] |
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well whats the length of the cartridge? 7.62x39 is whats used in the Ak-47, and thats already a short round, so getting much shorter you might as well be using a pistol trype round. Also the Bizon's mag is pretty much an exact rip of the Calico. (At least the Bizon is getting used) |
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| Author: | SX [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:21 pm ] |
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... Dammit. I'm no good at measuring... |
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| Author: | Blade_hunter [ Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 pm ] |
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Depends if you invented a new caliber
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:33 am ] |
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Or if you found a way to simply redesign the mag's internals to accommodate more ammo to the center of the mag, which would allow for the larger caliber rounds to have such a capacity when lengthening the spacers inside the mag for the bullet length. |
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| Author: | Sargeant Smash [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:23 pm ] |
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Still have to have room for the spring to when tension is on it is released. |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:24 pm ] |
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I don't think you can get much more optimized than the originals. Their engineer teams probably got storage to be as efficient as possible! |
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:02 pm ] |
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My only way of improving it would be just plain expensive for a clip to have. Instead of springs, use motors that are able to propel forward the motor itself and the train of bullets in front. Motors for this would be tiny, but just drive costs up exponentially. |
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| Author: | Sargeant Smash [ Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:03 pm ] |
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Why use motors... They would potentialy take up more space. the shells dont just sit in there they are all positioned on these neat little shelves with holes and notches cut for the round to sit in. Its a neat Idea, keeps a low profile, a good capacity for ammo, and distibutes the wieght throughout the weapon. |
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:14 pm ] |
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By having the motor, you actually would allow for the central core of the clip to be smaller in radius, allowing more bullets, which in turn allows that the motor be able to fit better. You just have to let the clip have some small extrusions on the front to allow for the motor. You only need a very small electric one, with a watch battery to power it. |
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:37 pm ] |
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By having the motor, you over complicate a clip tremendously, giving you several more components you must rely on not failing in combat (not to mention a battery with insufficient life left in it would not give the gun its peak fire rate). Nay, I would prefer a good old fashioned spring. Or maybe a nano-construction, self aware, microchip embedded spring... Hmm... That would be a sweet spring... |
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| Author: | SHAD0Wdump [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:32 am ] |
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Xavious wrote: Or maybe a nano-construction, self aware, microchip embedded spring... Hmm... That would be a sweet spring...
That has a off chance of deciding to ooze itself out of the clip and eat the user... |
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| Author: | Sgt. Kelly [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:55 am ] |
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SHAD0Wdump wrote: Xavious wrote: Or maybe a nano-construction, self aware, microchip embedded spring... Hmm... That would be a sweet spring... That has a off chance of deciding to ooze itself out of the clip and eat the user... Well yeah... That'll will function as a pseudo-suicide alt fire. |
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| Author: | SX [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:27 am ] |
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No, no suicides here. If you object, leave. 
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:34 pm ] |
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WHAT?! No suicide alt fire?! |
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| Author: | OCAdam [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:04 pm ] |
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How about a spring that will purposely break after firing only 2 rounds? That way you'll be forced to change clips so often that you just start throwing clips at the enemy instead! Clip gun! |
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| Author: | SX [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:25 pm ] |
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Xavious wrote: WHAT?! No suicide alt fire?!
Oh come on. You know it's lame, I know it's lame, the whole god damn forum thinks it's lame (except for Kelly). Not everything needs a suicide alt fire, it's stupid.
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| Author: | Captain Xavious [ Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:51 pm ] |
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I don't think its lame. In fact, I know its not lame. Its the best thing to ever happen! Plus, you know, me and Sgt. Kelly are moderators. |
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