Basically, I think you would have to play online to get a decent match going.

Yeah,that's the one absolute flaw with this mod,on the other hand it does give incentive to leave the bots behind and play against flesh and blood.

Siege is great fun in a Lan party with 2 vs 2.

If there's a 24/7 server running, things could get fun



Also, I've got turrets shooting at enemy structures now.

Seriously, I need someone with more expierence with Unrealscript to help me out on a few matters. I only need to know a thing or two about changing collisions, but I can't figure it out on my own.

At the moment, structures do not block vehicles. Vehicles can just ride trough, even trough your shields which are meant to keep the enemy out.

BBlockKarma is set to true in the default properties, shouldn't this block the vehicles? Somehow it doesn't.

If there's anyone with any knowledge on Unrealscript, please help me out, im getting sick of not knowing how collisions work in Unreal.

Unfortunately that might not be fixable. It just so happens that vehicles ignore anything that is originally created like a moveable object. If you ever made a door mover, you'll find a vehicle can just drive right through it, only acting like it was a bump instead of a door. This is probably why the majority of ONS levels didn't have doors. I really don't know how they did make doors work right in the AS level for the ion tank... might have to look at that to see how they got that to work and possibly transfer this to your objects spawned in by the multitool.

I can recall making some hangar bay doors which succeeded in blocking Raptors... I think I did that by setting BBlockKarma to true, but this doesn't seem to work in Siege2004.

I could be wrong though...


Okay, while I can't do crap with collisions, I might be able to make a Vehicle Factory structure for the players to build, then I can remove all regular vehicles from the map and make it really strategical.

This was and still is the LAN game of choice for me and my friends. Although we knew it was "broken" we would still play it because we really had fun . This is easily the most memorable ut2k4 mod for me. I wouldn't mind helping to play test the mod or any other way I can contribute. A big thanks to Bulksa for putting his time into fixing it.

Thanks ^^

I've also got an update on things, MMM found out why the karma collisions didn't work. The custom staticmeshes used by siege didn't have any karma collision implented. I must go into the editor and give each staticmesh fitting collisions. After this is done, shields might finally be able to block vehicles.

I've done nothing yet with the vehicle factory... I've been ill for the past 3 days, but I feel better now and ready to work more on Siege.

To my suprise, I've managed to get a vehicle factory working in Siege2004!

The vehicle factory has a few specials to it. Normally you can upgrade structures to level 3, but the vehicle factory allows a level 4.
The speed on which the factory builds vehicles is multiplied by the factory's level. More vehicles will also be unlocked when you upgrade to a higher level.

Level 1 vehicles:
Scorpion (costs 200 to build)
Manta (costs 300 to build)

Level 2 vehicles:
Hellbender (costs 400 to build)
SPMA (costs 500 to build)
Raptor (costs 400 to build)

Level 3 vehicles:
Goliath (costs 800 to build)
Paladin (costs 800 to build)
Cicada (costs 800 to build)

Level 4 vehicles:
Ion Plasma Tank (costs 1600 to build)

You walk up to the factory and press F12, or right mouse click with the multitool in your hands. It will show the vehicles you can choose from, what level of factory is required and how much energy is required. There is also an option to cancel the current production, returning 100% of the energy put into the vehicle. (useful if you make a mistake you want to quickly correct without loss of resource)
After choosing a vehicle, it will take awhile to build the vehicle, some are done faster than others. When it's done you have to watch out, because the vehicle might crush you. Effects warn you 2 seconds before spawning the vehicle.
Then you can hop in your newly constructed vehicle to attack the enemy.

When the vehicle factory isn’t busy producing any vehicle, it will automatically repair any vehicle in the area. Higher level means faster repairs. Subtle effects clearly indicate which vehicle is being repaired.

With vehicles requiring resources to be build, and not found plentyful around the map, there is a whole lot of tactical gameplay involved. Paladin’s shield is especially useful for providing cover against long range turrets and SPMA’s can really tear up an open air enemy base. But expect Manta’s to quickly come and poke at your SPMA, and players with the Bomber weapon flying above your tanks.

Also another note about the turrets.
Defenders are long range turrets, with a priority to shoot at enemy structures. If a Defender is shooting at a structure, it will ignore players. This allows you to sneak up a busy Defender.
Guardians are short range gatling turrets, with a priority to shoot at enemy players. They’re dangerous up close and are useful for covering your Defenders, but can be easily dealt with from longer range.
Protectors are moderate ranged anti missile turrets, with a priority to shoot at incoming missiles. They will accurately take down any guided or non-guided redeemers and warheads. (targetting non-guided missiles required a special piece of code :S)

Placing turrets correctly is also a very tactical part of the game. You can use turrets to protect your SPMA while firing you artillery at the enemy base, you can use a lvl 2 vehicle factory to repair your artillery, you can do a whole lot of things. But the most fun thing is, using vehicles in classic maps such as Face3. xD

I’m going to add an option to disable the vehicle factory, for players preferring the classic Siege gameplay.

Gameplay just changed dramatically, I myself can't wait to see the final product of this mod.

If anyone wants to help make this mod, here's an easy way to contribute.
Converting Onslaught maps to simple versions of CTF, so Siege can see, load and play them.
I made a small guide, mainly for myself to look at when I get lost, but it's also useful for showing you guys.

So if you want to contribute to Siege Evolution and a place in the credits, convert a map or two so players will have more choice.
To make sure you aren't doing something someone else has already done before, please announce what map you're going to convert before doing so.

The following maps are already converted: ONS-ArticStronghold, ONS-Torlan, ONS-Adara and ONS-Crossfire.


How to convert an ONS map to CTF, for use in Siege Evolution.
Open up the map which you want to convert, then, first of all and most importantly, save the map with CTF-Name immediately. This will prevent you saving over the Onslaught version of the map, corrupting your compatability with multiplayer games.

Now it's time to edit the game world a bit.
If you need to find certain actors, the search tool is incredibly useful.

Remove the Red Powercore and place a red XRealFlagBase on its place.
Remove the Blue Powercore and place a blue XRealFlagBase on its place.
(Siege will automatically change these to the basecores)

Note that all super pickups will be replaced with an energy mineral which can be mined.
Remove all PowerNodes and place a SuperHealthCharger on its place.
Think about the current mineral lay out, and add or remove super pickups where neccesary.

Remove all vehicle spawns.
Remove all weapon lockers.
Remove all PlayerStarts around PowerNodes.
Make sure that the teamnumber of the playerstarts is correct. 0 for red, 1 for blue.
Remove all Onslaught related actors, such as link setups and stuff.
Remove all flying path nodes.

The VSOverride actor allows a game to use vehicles when it normally can’t. This actor makes vehicles incredibly buggy and unstable, you should check your map if there is any such actor and remove it if there is any. The Siege gamemode allows vehicles, so theres no need for it.
(It’s unlikely to be there because this actor is a custom one from FragHouse)

Go to the level properties.
Go to the level info tab.
Change DefaultGameType to XGame.CTFGame

Build the paths. If you don’t build the paths, everyone, including the blue team, will spawn at the red base. (This caused a rage quit with one of our testers in one of our early LAN tests )
If you’ve removed the flying path nodes, it shouldn’t take too long. If you haven’t, well… you can come back tomorrow.

Save the game after building and start up Siege to test it out!

Check all the mineral placements, the spawns for both teams and the basecores, if they all work, you’ve converted an ONS map to CTF for use in Siege Evolution, many thanks!


EDIT:
Okay... this is really strange. There is a bug with flying vehicles I thought was fixed by removing the VSOverride actor, but somehow it still appears in all ONS converted maps. If you fly for a few seconds with either a Raptor or Cicada in an ONS to CTF converted map, you somehow die as if touching a killzone.

I went into CTF-Torlan, as that is one of the maps the bug appeared. I found and deleted the actor SpecialVehicleObjective, then I builded everything of the map. Geomatry, lighting, paths & such. It was fixed, I could fly around with a Raptor made by the vehicle factory. But now when I delete the SpecialVehicleObjectives from CTF-Crossfire, the bug remains. After that, I builded everything again and its still there!

Untill I find out whats going on, converting ONS to CTF maps should be on hold

I've got a question for the devs. here at Runestorm, I hope they can find the time to answer in their busy schedule with the Grand Finals

Can you teach me how to make the expanded game rule tab as you did with Ballistic Weapons?
I want to give the game host the ability to decide what structures and vehicles are allowed in the game.

Leviathan?

Also, I like that someone is continuing the half-finished work of someone else. I never played the original version but it sounded like a good concept.

I'm planning to add the Leviathan, but it's too big to build with the Vehicle Factory. So I'm going to make it a structure. You need to build the Leviathan on the field, after its done, the structure destroys itself and it spawns a Leviathan.

I'm making an Encyclopedia containing all information about the structures, weapons, game rules, etc. to flatten the steep learning curve of this game. I'm also thinking about a bunch of tutorial videos which quickly explain the basics of Siege.

Update on things!

Major changes with the vehicle gameplay. All vehicles are now custom vehicles of which most haven't been changed. The Scorpion, Manta and Goliath have been changed a little bit. The Ion Plasma Tank now has more armor (1200) (which is reasonable, seen the high price to build it)

The best of all is wrecks. Normally when you destroy a vehicle, it will turn into a wreck and it will dissapear after a few seconds.
With the Siege vehicles, the wrecks stay troughout the entire match, leaving the results of previous battles. Wrecks could be destroyed very easily but now they're much tougher than the normal wrecks. You can now also salvage vehicle wrecks. By salvaging vehicle wrecks, you can get up to 50% of the resource to build it. The time it takes to salvage depends on the maximum health of the vehicle.

I've also added the option to manually mine Minerals for Energy, so you don't need an Extractor to mine one. However, when extracting energy yourself, there is a 50% loss. I have yet to come up with some sort of penalty when the Minerals can't be mined out.

Oooh, the vehicle wrecks idea sounds cool. Is this only for the special Siege vehicles or the other ones too? The leopard tank master is always fun to play with on VCTF and ONS maps.

It only works for the Siege class vehicles, because I had to change a few functions and add a new one so you can salvage them.

The wreck is the vehicle itself in a destructed state, which for Onslaught vehicles, dissapeared quickly after turning into a wreck. I disabled the timer and they stay forever now.
The ONS wrecks were also super weak, you could disintegrate a Goliath wreck with one barrage of the flak cannon. I gave wrecks a damage resistance of 98% so they require a lot more firepower to destroy.
There's also the salvage function which looks to how many more times it needs to be hit with the salvaging tool before disintegrating.

Maybe it's possible with a mutator, but I don't know what special lines of code are required to make mutator's work yet.


MMM is planning to make a Ballistic Mod for Siege Evo, in which he will use the BW vehicles and Ballistic Weapons. I bet it would be awesome to have real strategic warfare with BW.

I played a LAN test just now, and everything works alright, except for quite a few client side problems...

There were a few things missing from the HUD of the client. The client couldn't acces the Energy Storage or Vehicle Factory and the Minerals which dissapeared were still there for the client.
If I did things right just now, they should all be fine.

You can now see the Energy Saldo of your team in the HUD. VERY useful for keeping track of your economy.
The Warhead costs only 1200 to start building. While building itself, it will use up 4 energy per second (if the game rule Build Speed is 1) untill it's finished, resulting in the Warhead costing 6000 energy total.

My frustration increases with the bugging flying vehicles...

I tried copying the Siege2004 folder to another PC so I could LAN test it and see if the server and client worked together allright. But somehow, Siege was 2.5 Gigabyte big! I looked at the files and saw that the log was 2.5 gigabyte big.

I then deleted the log file and started up siege. Played a super short game and looked at the log. It was full with these errors:

Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'
Warning: TFGRI CTF-Maul.TFGRI (Function Taskforces.TFGRI.AddTeamRES:05C2) Accessed None 'B'

2.5 Gigabyte of these messages created in about 2 hours.

I looked into the code of TFGRI, looked up the function AddTeamRES and looked at what 'B' excactly meant. Appears it was checking the variables for a structure which wasn't there. I fixed the code so it now gives no warning messages and keeps the log relatively clean.

I don't want to sound like I'm bragging or anything, but if you need me to I'll make new emitters for your stuff.

I'm working on some very annoying bugs lately, I can't find a way to fix them, but I'll get them eventually >.<

Once I got a few things in code working better, I'll look into what I need of models, sounds and effects.


The bugs are:
New HUD features only show server-side, while the variables for the new HUD features are everywhere the variables for the old HUD features are, so it really makes not much sense unless I've overlooked something tiny.

The Secundary fire of the Siege version of the SPMA is messed up. One time it worked and suddenly it didn't anymore. I have no idea what's the cause of it, but I'll just refresh the SPMA code and see if that works. If that won't work, then I'm really confused.

The code for calcuation and checking for errors in the Portals are excactly the same as the old code, but still it gives an error saying the exit is blocked which I need to look more into but so far it didn't made any sense.

Occasionally, the Siege.log file grows to incredible sizes.

Pilotting flying vehicles in certain maps (especially ONS to CTF converted maps) will automatically make the player touch the KillZone of the level.


They're all very strange bugs, of which most I'm uncertain to what is the cause of its strange behaviour.

Damn... I really can't find a way to fix the client side HUD.

I did fix the SPMA and improved a few vehicles, especially the Goliath. It's much faster now, with slower acceleration. Its main projectile now shoots with a curve, it still has a very great range, but on longer distances, you're required to aim a little.

I'm also making special Editor actors, which will automatically get converted to real actors when the game is started. It makes mapping pre-build structures a whole lot easier.
I think I can also include the option to make 'neutral' structures, which are hostile to both teams. Might be fun to have the ability to convert neutral structures to your own team.

I can't really find the urge to continue working on this a lot. It's because of the big bugs I can't fix.

I need help from someone more skilled with UnrealScript who can give me some pointers. What forums are a good place to start looking for help?

Great Idea, willing to test it, Please!!!

Cant help with the project itself, but can test it out on my system.

[email protected]

Dust on this project...

There's quite some problems going on with the project but I hope the people at BeyondUnreal may be able to help me out.

Busy with school, but now I ran out of things to do in free time, so im picking up this project again.

I can't edit some files to make Multiplayer work. Untill I find the solution to this, work on this mod just won't get anywhere.

However, I'm learning how to work with the UDK...