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Well... what can I say...? Another Crazy Idea!!!
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Author:  DK [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:06 am ]
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Another "Crazy Weapon Idea"©... I'll really try my best to keep it short this time!

DESCRIPTION:
A Nail-Gun, similar to that of the Quake-series, with special functions similar to the "Shuriken Gun" of the Painkiller-series.

Primary Fire:
Shoots small, metal spikes at a not-so rapid speed (about 3-4 Nails per second). Take note that these "bullets" are non-hitscan, highly-conductive and persist in the map for a reasonable duration... This has something to do with its secondary and special functions...

Clip size:
20 Nails per clip, 2 clips per Ammo Pack... This is just my personal recommendation. If you guys wanna suggest others, feel free to post.

Fire Modes:
1) Like I said above: very-accurate, induces less chaos, but fires not-so rapidly. This fire-mode lets nails stick to targets' bodies, again for a reasonable duration, because it plays a vital role in its secondary and special functions... The damage of each nail in this fire-mode is about 8-10.

2) Slightly less-accurate, induces more chaos, but fires rapid bolts (about 9-12 per second). This fire-mode enables the spikes to pass through multiple targets, but it cannot penetrate walls. This fire-mode also heats up the spikes when the trigger is held down, progressively increasing its base-damage (from 8-10 to 16-20 tops, just before an entire clip is exhausted). However, the nails lose their capacity to conduct electricity in this mode (oops! Spoiler! Hehe...!).

Secondary Fire:
The first of this weapon's unique abilities... Holding down the Secondary Fire key will make the weapon fire a short, continuous stream of electricity (just a few meters past being a melee weapon). This can only stun targets for a few seconds with minor damage (4-5 per second), because the electric stream can only last 5-7 seconds, after which it needs to recharge. However, users can improve its range and/or damage by doing the following:

1) Set up a trail of metal nails in the immediate vicinity - this improves the weapon's range by letting the electric stream "jump" from one spike to the other, opening a whole lot of strategic options for the game.

2) Riddle a target's body with metal nails - this improves the weapon's electricity-damage. Each spike (on a person's body) adds +2 to the weapon's base-electricity-damage, but it doesn't improve its stun.

Dual Fire (Primary+Secondary):
When the Primary Fire is held while the weapon is emitting electricity (Secondary Fire), the metal nails fired are immediately charged with electricity, increasing its damage significantly by +5 (I told you guys this is weapon is Painkiller-inspired!). This only works for the FIRST fire-mode of the weapon, the SECOND fire-mode will not have its spikes charged.

SPECIAL FIRE:
The second secret of this weapon... Holding down the Special Fire key will make the weapon charge-up its electric beam, enabling it to unleash a devastating lightning bolt (Tesla-Coil style!) with a base damage of 50-60. The lightning bolt can only be fired when it is fully-charged (about 5-6 seconds), and it will overload and damage its user when charged for too long. It would also have a 3-second cool-down period after firing, just to avoid spammage. The same bonuses apply here as with the Secondary Fire:

1) Setting-up metal nails in the area of impact scatters the bolt, increasing its "area of effect" (instead of being a Lightning-gun style hitscan), therefore inflicting damage to more than one target.

2) Riddling a target's body with metal nails before hitting him/her with a lightning bolt significantly increases its damage by the number of bolts on the target's body. Each spike adds +5 to the weapon's lightning-damage. It also adds the possibility of blinding the target and/or having his/her ammo explode from the clip of the weapon s/he is holding. These "side-effects" only have a 5% chance of happening.

There we go! This weapon is still open to suggestion!

EDIT:
The exploding-ammo-thingie was scrapped because... well... it's just too unrealistic... %-6

Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:28 am ]
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I like the special fire idea a lot, it sounds very original. But I'm afraid the nails need to stuck together to be able to lead a stream of electricity. But there is nothing wrong with going semi-realistic. :)

Great idea overall!

Author:  Carsomyr [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:16 am ]
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Me likes. Very creative and interesting. Heck, this could, dare I say it, be the basis of weapon function for the j55 shard cannon.

Or not. This could be something very cool and completely different.

But let's forget the exploding ammo thing. Too weird and annoying.

This thing is gonna take a ton of new code, though,so it might need to be sponsored.

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:07 pm ]
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That really sounds a lot like the shuriken gun for Painkiller. I love that gun, but I don't know... this seems too much like it...

Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:26 pm ]
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Xavious wrote:
That really sounds a lot like the shuriken gun for Painkiller. I love that gun, but I don't know... this seems too much like it...


This weapon idea sounds nothing like any of the Painkiller weapons at all. !dodge

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:29 pm ]
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It sounds a lot like the shuriken gun to me. Its different, and probably a lot cooler of an idea, but the shuriken gun has very similar features.

Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:32 pm ]
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Well, it is close to impossible to think of a new type of a gun isn't it? With all the thousands of shooters released since Wolfy.

Author:  Carsomyr [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:39 pm ]
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I'm with 'Jossi. Heck, how overdone is the AR with the grenae launcher? Doesn't make it any less fun in BW, though, does it?

I'm still behind this one 100%.

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:41 pm ]
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I know that, and I'm not saying it isn't a blatent ripoff or anything, its just that the shuriken has the metal projectiles that stick into things and I think you can shoot them with the electricity and make them arc.
I can't remember it exactly, but one of the fire modes includes charging the shuriken with electricity and it arcs from enemy to enemy.

I didn't mean to be offensive or anything. I just thought it sounded a lot like the gun from painkiller.

This would still be an awesome gun though. I like the idea of chaining the nails together to increase its range.

Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:45 pm ]
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But the ElectroDriver (the correct name of the gun) isn't a nailgun is it?

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:47 pm ]
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Thats the name! I was trying to remember it.
Yes, it isn't a nailgun. You win.

Author:  Bjossi [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:50 pm ]
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Plus, the one thing the ED can't do is to lead electricity through the shurikens. Imagine firing nails in rapid fire and shoot electricity to form a deadly chain. :)

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:54 pm ]
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That could be fun!

Author:  DK [ Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:04 pm ]
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@Xavious

Yes, it's VERY MUCH inspired by the Electro Driver of Painkiller. I just added a few major improvements to its flexibility and tactical use.

Carsomyr wrote:
But let's forget the exploding ammo thing. Too weird and annoying.


Yes... I must admit that was too much of a stretch on my part... I'll scrap that one.

Author:  ShadowBlade [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:07 am ]
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i like Q4's nailgun.. its so cool :D

but this sounds like it'd be incorporated into our J55 shader, which i REALLY want to do :)

i've never seen PainKiller :(

Author:  Captain Xavious [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:48 am ]
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I think the improvements would make it a lot better than the painkiller one.

Author:  DK [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:23 am ]
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Just some useless info about the various weapons that inspired me to come up with this Crazy Weapon Idea:

Quake 1's Nailgun and Super Nailgun (the Perforator) - 50%
I love these weapons to death! 'Nuff said.

Painkiller's ElectroDriver (Shuriken Gun) - 40%
Painkiller's arsenal of weapons and "Tarot Cards" are THE MOST CREATIVE in the history of FPS, in my opinion. There may be just 5-7 weapons in the game, but hell, they all function like 20+ different weapons when you use them efficiently (especially the game's namesake: The Painkiller = BAD-ASS melee weapon)!

Quake 4's Upgradable Nailgun - 10%
I like the idea ID incorporated in this weapon: HOMING NAILS. But I figured that it would make my weapon idea too powerful if I added that as one of its functions...

Quake III: Team Arena's Nailgun - 0%
I HATE THIS WEAPON!!! It's a blatant rip-off of UT's Flak Cannon, but it's far less effective. This weapon prolly has the least frags in ANY FPS game to-date.

Author:  Bjossi [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:42 am ]
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ShadowBlade wrote:
i've never seen PainKiller :(


I showed you a screenshot of it, remember? :)

Author:  DK [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:27 am ]
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Here is more info on Painkiller and its weapons...

Author:  Deuxhero [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:20 pm ]
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Shuriken gun? thats the exact oppiste of a nail gun (it's a nailpuller gun then) intresting how they work similer

Author:  DK [ Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:58 pm ]
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Well... for one thing, they both fire shards of metal at people, and they hurt a lot...

Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:58 am ]
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I think long sharp nails are nastier though.

Author:  DK [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:25 am ]
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Yep... Shurikens and other thin-bladed, low-velocity projectiles can be taken out victims' bodies and have their cuts stitched up...

Large, gaping holes, however, are much harder to remedy... especially when they have exit-wounds. x)

Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:25 am ]
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You don't say DK... Ha... DK, thats funny.

Author:  DK [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:43 am ]
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What now...?

...

This isn't about my name, is it...? >__<

Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:52 am ]
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Mr.UglyPants wrote:
You don't say DK... Ha... DK, thats funny.


May I ask what your point is? !dodge

Author:  ShadowBlade [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:55 pm ]
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what i mean, is i've never SEEEN it.. as in real-time.. :P

Author:  Mr.UglyPants [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:02 pm ]
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Bjossi wrote:
Mr.UglyPants wrote:
You don't say DK... Ha... DK, thats funny.


May I ask what your point is? !dodge



DK = Donkey Kong! Come on Bjossi.

Author:  Bjossi [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:00 pm ]
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And how does he fit in this discussion? Not at all?
I thought not, so let's get back on topic.

Author:  DK [ Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:42 pm ]
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Mr.UglyPants wrote:
DK = Donkey Kong! Come on Bjossi.


I KNEW it!!! !grr

It's the same name-calling I had to deal with for almost half of my time on the Internet! x) x)

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