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of tearing someone's head off, even when the target was missed with a rough 30cm's.

Chavez wrote:

of tearing someone's head off, even when the target was missed with a rough 30cm's.

You mean miss the head or the whole target?

If mr raily does not need bipeds and can't kill without hitting then why would any other sniper rifle do?

Plus deliberate head shots in real life are a war crime, or something like that, and you get in a lot of trouble whenever you land one.

And yeah, I heard about that microwave ray gun thingy. It sounds pretty interesting.

Well, headshots kill in the instant, if well placed. so, the victim will not suffer, unlike a shot in another part of the body.

Why it would be a war crime?

I wonder where everyone is getting that idea, if i shoot at a target i want him down. I dont want to risk him coming back at some later date and getting me or my buddies. Another reason is, if the enemy is shooting ammo that can kill me I want to shoot ammo that can kill my enemy.

War is not how politicaly correct you can be as all of the Screw ups in NATO seem to think. War is not a nice thing, it was never ment to be friendly.

Anyway, what else are you gonna do with this weapon?

I still have my doubts it could cause that much damage from 30 centimetres away. Plus deliberate head shots in real life are a war crime, or something like that, and you get in a lot of trouble whenever you land one.

For those who doubt headshots are a war crime,imagine your best friend with a gory bowl shaped crater in his head with lots of blood and his head partially ripped off,how do you feel now?

Bad enough your friend would get shot but this mess?

A foxes ear is supposed to be on it head, not actually coming out of its mouth...

Author:	Chavez [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:13 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
I noticed that it was possible to suggest real weapons also, so hereby i'm suggesting one of the most devestating sniper rifles. Denel NTW-20 (ingame info) The Denel NTW-20 is a sniper rifle which could impossibly be fired effectively from a standing or kneeling position. Therefore, it is recommended to deploy the sniper rifle first. It fires a massive 20mm round capable of tearing someone's head off, even when the target was missed with a rough 30cm's. The recoil is greatly reduced thanks to the hydraulic damper placed underneath the barrel. \|- Primary fire: Fire a round, highly inaccurate. \|- Secondary fire: Deploy bipods. Accuracy increases drastically. \|-+ Turret \|-- Primary fire: Fire a round. \|-- Secondary fire: Bring up 45x zoom sights. \|-- Special: Become mobile again

Author:	Kaboodles [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Railgun.

Author:	headhunter [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Chavez wrote: of tearing someone's head off, even when the target was missed with a rough 30cm's. You mean miss the head or the whole target?

Author:	Kien [ Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
If mr raily does not need bipeds and can't kill without hitting then why would any other sniper rifle do?

Author:	Chavez [ Thu May 01, 2008 2:46 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
headhunter wrote: Chavez wrote: of tearing someone's head off, even when the target was missed with a rough 30cm's. You mean miss the head or the whole target? Both & neither of them All depends on the situation ^^

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Author:	Chavez [ Thu May 01, 2008 2:47 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Kien wrote: If mr raily does not need bipeds and can't kill without hitting then why would any other sniper rifle do? Because this is sort of the reputation that this rifle has gotten.

Author:	Kien [ Thu May 01, 2008 5:42 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
But it would be awful to let it do in the game.

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Thu May 01, 2008 6:52 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Yeah, that isn't something that should be done in the game. Sniping is already cheap enough, usually a one- or two-hit kill weapon that has incredible range and accuracy with a high powered scope, but add to that the fact that you wouldn't actually have to hit the target either? Wouldn't work. Unless you went for a total realism and was consistent in that realism for every weapon, but if that happened, I wouldn't want to play it anymore. I still have my doubts it could cause that much damage from 30 centimetres away. Plus deliberate head shots in real life are a war crime, or something like that, and you get in a lot of trouble whenever you land one.

Author:	Kien [ Thu May 01, 2008 10:12 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Just commenting: I was more thinking of the principle of letting a common sniper rifle be more powerful than our sci-fi railgun.

Author:	Sargeant Smash [ Thu May 01, 2008 10:54 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
20mm that can rip people in half... Yes from what i have heard Nato has made it Illegal to land headshots unless thats the only way you can get your target, basically i think it means if you got a clear or decent shot of the target then a headshot is out of the question. Like them marines that were investigated because they were only getting headshot on opposing forces, they stopped investigating after they found out the shots were taken at 400+ yards with only the upper body of the target showing. Most of the shots taken were with the m16A2 or M4a2 carbine I believe. I heard about this on the military cahnnel a while ago, i may have gotten something in it wrong but oh well. This seems like it would be good against vehicles in game. Against such targets as the hellbender or scorpion. Which if this weapon were to be used in an anti vehicle role i could see how a bipod would be justifiable for it.

Author:	Chavez [ Fri May 02, 2008 5:46 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Captain Xavious wrote: Plus deliberate head shots in real life are a war crime, or something like that, and you get in a lot of trouble whenever you land one. Therefore i suggested it for the mod. I mean, flamethrowers and other weapons that excessively hurt a target before killing it (Lightning gun for instance) aren't exactly allowed either (^_^") I heard about this riot control weapon mounted on a hummvee which pretty much acted as a giant microwave. Eventually they had the idea to amplify it's radiation and from that moment the LTL weapon (eventually after suggering a sudden painfull burn all over the body) became lethal, and therefore it was taken out of order.

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Fri May 02, 2008 6:01 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
I brought that up because it seemed to conflict with some of the things you said about the weapon. And yeah, I heard about that microwave ray gun thingy. It sounds pretty interesting.

Author:	Chavez [ Fri May 02, 2008 8:02 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Captain Xavious wrote: And yeah, I heard about that microwave ray gun thingy. It sounds pretty interesting. Mhm... as a BW vehicle it should produce some nasty gore effect ~<3

Author:	Kien [ Fri May 02, 2008 9:10 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
This headshot thing... let me ask, do you people mean that it's illigal to shoot a person in the head in a war??

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Author:	Glosmostinex [ Fri May 02, 2008 9:32 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Well, headshots kill in the instant, if well placed. so, the victim will not suffer, unlike a shot in another part of the body. Why it would be a war crime?

Author:	Kien [ Fri May 02, 2008 10:28 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Glosmostinex wrote: Well, headshots kill in the instant, if well placed. so, the victim will not suffer, unlike a shot in another part of the body. Why it would be a war crime? Exactly!

Author:	Captain Xavious [ Fri May 02, 2008 10:39 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Because it's "inhumane". I tihnk the real reason for it it because it leaves a bloody mess that people don't want to clean up or sort through and show to the family.

Author:	Sargeant Smash [ Fri May 02, 2008 10:48 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Plus have you ever seen some one that was shot in the head, its not as clean as they make it look in the movies. PLus theres collaterall and it can affect a soldier in pretty screwed up ways. Plus its not good PR. Makes a military look bad. Same reason decapitation is "inhumane" May cause less pain and be quick but it causes alot of damage mentaly to soldiers and civilians who may witness it.

Author:	Chavez [ Fri May 02, 2008 11:07 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
In a war you are supposed to disable an enemy, not kill, even when it's inevitable.

Author:	Sargeant Smash [ Fri May 02, 2008 11:45 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
I wonder where everyone is getting that idea, if i shoot at a target i want him down. I dont want to risk him coming back at some later date and getting me or my buddies. Another reason is, if the enemy is shooting ammo that can kill me I want to shoot ammo that can kill my enemy. War is not how politicaly correct you can be as all of the Screw ups in NATO seem to think. War is not a nice thing, it was never ment to be friendly. Anyway, what else are you gonna do with this weapon?

Author:	Beta_krogoth [ Fri May 02, 2008 11:55 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Anyway, i would love to have a choice of snipers, a standard one, a big one [aka this] and a smaller one

Author:	Chavez [ Fri May 02, 2008 12:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Sargeant Smash wrote: I wonder where everyone is getting that idea, if i shoot at a target i want him down. I dont want to risk him coming back at some later date and getting me or my buddies. Another reason is, if the enemy is shooting ammo that can kill me I want to shoot ammo that can kill my enemy. That all depends on your country. Where i live, people get busted for shooting other's in a war. It's a pretty known case. One of our teams got attacked in afghanistan, and this soldier fires back, the bullet hit a rock and rocouchets right through the head of an attacker. That soldier is still sitting his time as we speak. Sargeant Smash wrote: War is not how politicaly correct you can be as all of the Screw ups in NATO seem to think. War is not a nice thing, it was never ment to be friendly. x 2 Sargeant Smash wrote: Anyway, what else are you gonna do with this weapon? Like in the post stated up here, a bigger arsenal of sniper rifles would be welcome. It's definitly a bad idea to make this one realistic, but for poppin' light and medium APC's this might be a good idea.

Author:	Kaboodles [ Fri May 02, 2008 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Captain Xavious wrote: I still have my doubts it could cause that much damage from 30 centimetres away. Plus deliberate head shots in real life are a war crime, or something like that, and you get in a lot of trouble whenever you land one. Do you have some kind of link to prove this? This seems kinda ridiculous to me. EDIT: Google brings me nothing on the subject. EDIT 2: Explain to me the mechanism that allows this gun to kill a man by missing him.

Author:	SHAD0Wdump [ Fri May 02, 2008 1:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
For those who doubt headshots are a war crime,imagine your best friend with a gory bowl shaped crater in his head with lots of blood and his head partially ripped off,how do you feel now? Bad enough your friend would get shot but this mess?

Author:	Kaboodles [ Fri May 02, 2008 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
SHAD0Wdump wrote: For those who doubt headshots are a war crime,imagine your best friend with a gory bowl shaped crater in his head with lots of blood and his head partially ripped off,how do you feel now? Bad enough your friend would get shot but this mess? That doesn't prove anything. Watching your friend get his leg blown off or his body get torn in half would be much more traumatizing. Lots of screaming. At least with a headshot he wouldn't suffer. Snipers are encouraged to aim for the torso at longer distance due to the relative ease of a torso shot compared to the headshot, but I doubt headshots are absolutely prohibited. EDIT: More on topic, the Railgun also fires a 20mm round and is capable of accuractely sending it through 2 and a half meters of metal (judging from in-game stats), without any need for mounting. How would this gun stack up against the Railgun?

Author:	SHAD0Wdump [ Fri May 02, 2008 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
And so it still boils down to the people who make tell people not to 'cap' someone,and those who think that rule is total bullcrap. Still what I posted is more likely than not,exactly their argument.

Author:	Kien [ Fri May 02, 2008 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
I always thought headshots was the shit. :/

Author:	Sargeant Smash [ Fri May 02, 2008 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Kien thats cause you never seen a real one. I seen a picture of an Iraq soldier with a good portion of his head turned into mush from 1 shot. I still think of that picture sometimes when play a game or read something about combat. They are illegal, there are some ways you can get around them, like if you HAVE to shoot them there, or if it was an accident. But you dont go for the "pink mist" as they called it in jar head. Its always a torso shot, Center mass.

Author:	Eat Uranium [ Sat May 03, 2008 4:23 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Headshots are messy. I've not seen one on a man (and don't intend to) but I have seen one in a fox. A foxes ear is supposed to be on it head, not actually coming out of its mouth... However, being shot in the heart doesnt seem like an instant death to me. Seem like your last seconds would be a might painful.

Author:	Kaboodles [ Sat May 03, 2008 9:43 am ]
Post subject:	Denel NTW-20
Sargeant Smash wrote: They are illegal... Again, do you have some kind of link for this? Eat Uranium wrote: A foxes ear is supposed to be on it head, not actually coming out of its mouth... I actually laughed at this. Does this make me a bad person?