ok, we have to get rid of this crappy hand gun (well, dont get rid of it) or just ad another one in to balance it out.

i am thinking a huge over powered (eight shots only for both) Revolver or a Desert Eagle (chrome or black for DE). making these one or two (if you decide to do both, that would be great) hand guns SUPER DUPER weapons would be fun as hell.

adding a scope pick up (for the hand guns) to the map would turn these monsters into sniper rifles (power + range = sniper). and of course laser sight for DE not revolver.

i want to have these two weapons so damn bad, can you imagine??????

Post edited by: James, at: 2006/03/19 15:25

My heart-beat goes crazy when just thinking about these babies in my player´s hands. I think we should keep them simple, nothing more than just a powerful big handgun with powerful sound, a lot of kickback and damage.

I can´t wait to see what you guys will make regarding these guns. :woohoo:

haha wow so much nicer those days

Lol, in fact i'd say the DE or any other high powered, large calibre, pistol/revolver or contender isn't as powerful as the AM67.

The am67 is reliable and powerful but it doesnt look as great so I dont use it that much. I use the rs8 most of the time because it looks awesome and it has good ammo capicity. If there is going to be a DE then i would start using that all the time because it is powerful and looks good.
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Have patience,for the whiners will come...

Even I think the AM67 and current revolver already satisfy these positions.

But the revolver takes soo long to reload

The AM67 in comparison looks a lot more powerful... There's a rail on top for attachments also.

Just wait... i'm designing a gun as we speak, it should look a lot like the AM67, but then fire calibre 5.56. Yes, real ones that is.

did you guys look at the date of the original post? haha i think the am67 was for the DE people.

Sargeant kelly is making a DEish pistol in his mod.

No new revolver, i will never abandon the D49!

D.Eagle, Maybe

GAH,Hypergiant you freekin necro!!!!

Ufff

hahaha had too

Chavez, your designing a pistol in 5.56x45? (.223 thats right 5.56 is barely a hair bigger than a .22) So it would be like baby brother to the AM 67.

If there was a .50AE desert eagle added it would be about the same power as the AM67.

If I remember when I.M.I. made this pistol one of the requirements that was placed upon it was it had to stop cars. That way if someone charges a checkpoint in a car put a few rounds into the grill and problem solved. Of course this is more than likely a rumor but if its true its rather interesting.

You're seeing it wrong though. I'm not going to put pistol calibre's in, i'm loading it up with rifle ammo. That'swhy i need to redesign the enire system, because of the fact that it's loaded under the barrel, and because 5.56 LR isn't pistol ammo.

I already switched to the Diamondback. It's WAY more accurate than the D49, and I actually find it easier to get a kill with it, as it's powerful enough to take the head off a 100-health opoonent in one shot. Also, when dual-wielded they're unbeatable. The reload'a also a lot faster, and the LeMat mod is fun as well.

However, on that subject, what I'd like to see is a simply MASSIVE revolver, the kind that you need both hands just to keep steady (so no dual-wielding), with enough punch to blast a hole in pretty much anything, but with massive recoil and a lot of movement chaos. No fancy double-barrel or shotgun, just massive bullets with a lot of stopping power.

5.56x45 is a VERY SMALL round, the .50 caliber round(12.7mm) that the am67 fires is more than twice the size of the 5.56.

What do you mean "Under the barrel"? You have to put the magazine where the rounds can be stripped off the magazine and into the chamber.

5.56 (.223) Is an EXTREMELY under powered round that needs to be replaced in todays militaries. The only thing i can see this round being used for is killing paper (target shooting). Try researching how a firearm works before designing one in real life.

the reason the military uses .223 is to injure the target not kill. it takes more resources to get an injured man than a dead one.

Underpowered? How so? The bullet fragments on impact, causing more damage than what you might expect from the bullet's size.

I'm not currently satisfied with the current weapons. I'd like to see an actual 7-round .50 Desert Eagle type weapon, and have the AM67 replaced by something else. A fully-automatic .50 caliber pistol is pretty ridiculous and completely impractical.

Perhaps you could simply take the basic AM67's design and scale the bullets down a bit. Perhaps a 6.7mm armor-piercing round, or something, with a 24-round magazine.

I've always wanted something similar to the Desert Eagle, and that's pretty much why I've made the AH104.

Can you make it look like a desert eagle?

Not without a modeler and animator.

maybe use the M806A2 pistol model and put chromed details.

Yeah sure it takes up resources when you have enemies that care about their losses but presently the US is fighting an enemy that takes no care in casualties. Besides if i had to shoot at someone (I never ever want to) id want to put them down for good. The round does not frament because thats "inhumane" and illegal to use in the military.

.223 55 grain round compared to a .30 120-125 grain round is a joke. The larger round is heavier, creates larger wounds, and has superior penetration, more stopping power as well.
The smaller round travels faster which means its some what more accurate but not by much (depends more on the firearm) which means it gets to the target faster (still not an issue) and can transfer its energy to the target instead of loosing it in the flight to the target. But when you got a big bullet that may move slower and loose more energy it still has a lot more energy than the smaller one does anyway.

Chrome on firearms is silly, makes you a nice shiney target is all that does.

I suggested chrome because it looks more like a DE.

Shit, chrome? Make it gold! Bling up that bitch! The D.Eagle is already a ridiculous and totally impractical weapon. Go for broke! Also paint a dragon on it, for added coolness.



As for the 5.56mm stuff, raw power isn't everything. The small size of 5.56mm rounds allows you to carry more ammunition for the weight. They would also cost less to make than larger rounds, and they're plenty lethal enough at close ranges, where a lot of the fighting happens anyway.

Also, where does it say fragmenting rounds are illegal? Fragmentation allows the round to transferred more energy to the target, inflict more grievous incapacitating wounds, and it helps prevent overpenetration, reducing collateral damage.

5.56mm NATO.

It is not a ridiculous and impractical weapon, it has many uses, self-defense, law enforcement, hunting, target shooting. It comes in a few different calibers as well. Such as the 357 and 44. If i ever meet the person that started to gold plate the Desert eagle and other firearms im going to personaly shove foot so far up his a** he's gonna be smelling boot leather.

First i already see an error in the wiki, the 7.62 is just a shortened version of the 30-60 not a derivative of the .300 savage (Im picky like that i cant help it)

Did you see the part where it says several alternatives are being looked at. I've heard of the 6.8 SPC to me it sounds like a promising round.

I meant to say expanding rounds are illegal to use. not fragmentation, my oopsy.

I personaly think if the military would of spent more time with the AR-10 which is the daddy of the ar-15 only in 308 (7.62x51mm) it would of had a much superior rifle on its hands. But they decided to go with the .223 AR-15.

the wieght of the ammo may allow you to carry more but whats the point if your gonna use more ammo to kill one target.

I also think the british round would of been a great choice as well, its a decent size, good range, stopping power. But AGAIN the American government said no and made all of nato switch to the 308 and then to the 223.

Go get 'em, tiger!


It is impractical for military uses. It's big, loud, heavy, kicks like a bull, has a low magazine capacity, and the muzzle flash blinds you in night-fighting. It's also quite expensive.

The 5.56x45mm NATO was designed to be an intermediate-powered round that can use effectively in fully-automatic fire, and it succeeded in that. The 7.62x51mm round is simply too powerful (recoil) to be used in full-auto.

The recoil isnt actualy that bad because it is heavy, the wieght takes alot of the recoil. It only has a low capacity because the ammo is so big. Like I said before its not meant for wide scale use in the Isreali military, it is a special pistol designed to stop cars.

7.62x51 does recoil pretty heavy to be used in a light full auto rifle, but if you turn a rifle in a semi auto and get rid of the full auto feature you take care of that problem. Plus they have brought back the old m14s out of mothballs and have put them back on the front lines over in Iraq where soldiers welcomed the larger caliber weapon with open arms. The rifle is perfect in the urban and mountainous ares.

5.56x45 is quite managable in full auto but other than that its not much of a man stopper, it has very low penetration when compared to larger caliber weapons such as 7.62x39 or 7.62x51. If the time was taken to teach soldiers how to better handle a heavier recoiling rifle it would be extremely worth it, not only will it save soldiers lives but it also garantees first shot kills.